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[X King]

Swedish Team to boycott Olympic Games. There was a link to the story in Spanish on the IAAF.org - Forums, but I put the link on my previous message, but the link would not work.

It has been reported that the Swedish Captain, Ulf Karlsson, said that none of the Swedish athletes would compete if Kenteris and Thanou are not banned.
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[X King]

Eurosport says Kenteris and Thanou are to be withdrawn from the Olympic Games.

http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/V4/L0/S6/E5761/sport_Lng0_Spo6_Evt5761_Sto625472.shtml
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[Conway]

With respect to the talk about performances, it is hard for me to look at any performances from the 90's forward with anything other than a jaded eye ... On the heels of the Ben Johnson ban in '88 - the biggest drug bust in the history of the Olympics to that point - it is interesting that the 90's then became the most explosive record setting period in the history of the sport - on the men's side ...

Distance records dropped, dropped, and dropped some more ... And are still dropping ... Took an athlete the caliber of Aouita to go sub 13:00.00, and now everybody does it and we are looking at 12:30.00 … Ovett, Coe, Cram, Aouita run 3:29 and now we are at 3:26 and counting …

And the sprints are outrageous … Prior to that 1988 race only 6 men in HISTORY had run sub 10 for 100 meters and we know one of those WAS on drugs and that another tested positive for a series of drugs but was let off (Johnson and Lewis respectively) … That one race saw 3 of those men run sub 10 and add another to the club (Christie) who also had a positive but was let off … So that's 7 men under 10.00 with 3 having positive tests (banned or not) …

So in the first 20 years of sub 10's (starting with Hines Mexico City win) we saw 7 men break the mark, 3 tested positive, and 2 only did it with altitude (Hines & Leonard) … Only 2 men in 20 years ran sub 10.00 without a positive test or altitude - Mel Lattany @ 9.96 … Calvin Smith 9.97 … And up to the Seoul race there had been a total of 15 sub 10 clockings …

Enter the 90's … Speed Trap … Revelations regarding drugs and off we go … Since Seoul the sub 10 mark has been broken 264 times !!!! 37 sprinters have joined the club since then !!! Of the 279 times that sub 10 has been run, 3 men have run 103 of them … What was so special about the 90's ???

Its hard to look at any performances any more without some trepidation … I point to a couple of events, but in reality almost every event out there now seems otherworldly when one considers the escalation of the past decade … The question is not who is dirty, but bordering on do we believe anyone to be clean ??? And if not, then what's the purpose of anything that is remotely called a "crack down" on drugs in sport ???
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[Dan]

A devil's advocate position would be that, once the bar has been raised, everyone else steps up to that level.

Also, in the sprints you've got tracks engineered purely for speed since 90-91.

Dan
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[Dan]

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere previously... I was just thumbing through an issue of SI from last month and an article about Gatlin's 100m win mentioned that Trevor Graham recently admitted to being the coach who turned in the THG syringe. Looks like all the speculation was correct...

I can't imagine why any athlete would want to work with a coach who turns on his ex-athletes like that. Just ask Tim and Marion what they think of the situation.

In other drug news, it was posted to the t-and-f list today that 100m winner Nesterenko failed a test (Clenbuterol, I believe it was) 2 years ago that was reported to her federation but ignored. I jokingly said on the list after her win that odds were 50/50 she'd test positive in short order. Little did I know she already had.

Dan
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[Conway]

Hey, it comes witht he territory now a days ... I was aware of the SI article ... I'd read it when it came out ... The speculation was that it was him all along ... Word is that Tim owed him some big time money and has refused to pay and that that was the impetus for him turning in the syringe ... Also that he had moved his current athletes to "something else" and therefore would not be hurt by having THG out in the public ...

Hey ... My dad always said "you lay with dogs you get fleas!" ... And he was right ...
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[Dan]

Which one's the dog in this case?

Dan
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[Conway]

LOL .... I think maybe the dogs and fleas been breeding down there in North Carolina ...
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[Indeurr]

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___Like you, I do appreciate the reality of life: money. IAAF, EAA, and other area track and field governing bodies as well as their national counter parts such as USATF or PZLA cannot survive without profit.
___I am not trying to go after Kenteris and Thanou. I am just using their situation to show the difference between using the so--called illegal doping to achieve a world--class - - performance level, and to recover quickly or to maintain ability to perform at the world--class level time after time.
___I am trying to make a point here: there is an inherent conflict of interest within the IAAF itself. On one hand, the IAAF wants to maintain the level Plainfield equity (not equality -- it is not possible -- there are just too many factors); on the other hand, the IAAF has to turn in profit each year to support itself, and for the sport of track and field to thrive.
___This conflict of interest, and along with it the problem of catching the drug cheats, will never be resolved.
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[Indeurr]

___I want to see if there is any agreement between the memebers of these fora on a couple subjests. I tried to ask this question to the members of the iaaf fora, but I did not get much of a response.

Question ONE:
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___ . . . it Is possible to ruN a DoznE times a year 100 meters Under 10.20 in competition without using illegal substances to recoveR;
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Question TWO:
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___Is it possible to run 100 meters in under 10.05 three times within two days without using illegal substances to recover?
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* -- RECOVER ONLY -- MOST PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT KENTERIS AND THANOU HAVE BEEN ****** TO ACHIEVE, AND NOT JUST TO RECOVER.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgcD2akmeJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB0RcWYMwXU
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[Dan]

[Indeurr]

[edited by Dan: Please keep it on topic. Nothing I said in the previous post related to that rant.]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x22Alfgv0DY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgcD2akmeJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB0RcWYMwXU
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[X King]

Is Tim Montgomery still going to face his drugs hearing this Monday???

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/3700900.stm
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[Conway]

As far as I know he is still on schedule ... I'm dying to hear the outcome !!!
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