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Dan
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Tim was never regarded as a competitor, though.
Wasn't Kim's recent win a 10.10, albeit wind aided?
I expect him to be around 9.97 in the final, which I don't figure to be as fast/deep as your predictions. I think that'll put him 4th or 5th.
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In the case of P. Johnson, he peaked way too early last year. Didn't really have anything to do with energy management through rounds or world leaders not showing up when it counted. He just didn't have anything left when other guys were just starting to hit their stride.
We're much further into this point of the season, comparatively. Times should be more meaningful now.
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I wonder if Smith is toning down the inbetween races (Trials to Olympics) to concentrate on training. Maybe they both have come to a better understanding of the fragility of Greene's physique. Maybe the idea is to have Greene running at quarter or semifinal speed at these meets. I lack the confidence in Graham having Gatlin peaked at the right time.
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Conway
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You have to get off your fetish for "times" didn't Patrick Johnson lead the world last season with hs 9.93? Where was he when it counted? Didn't two Nigerians run faster than Collins last season,where were they? Didn't Bernard Williams lead the world in 200 as far as "times" go? John Capel ran a sluggest 20.17 yet he won the World's. Where was 20.02 Shawn Crawford?
It's about "energy management" once we enter these big meets where rounds are contested. It's who can conserve that speed that counts not if someone ran a ....whatever! At this level there are no slow pokes! |
What fetish for times ??? I told you you can't read (talking about comprehension here) ...
It's not times, its consistency ... Williams and Crawford ran their singular fast races over 200 last year during the European circuit ... They weren't even on the US team at Worlds !!! Get facts and figures together before you start talking ...
So what if Patrick Johnson lead the world with his 9.93, he had nothing close to a good backup time - let alone a great one ...
And we're talking the 100 meters here ... Its about sharpness in this meet ... Best come with your "A" game ... Energy management ??? Quit trying to throw around big words to impress .... If you can't put together 2 sharp races a day for 2 days you don't belong ... Period ...
At this level there are no slow pokes ??? Duh !!! What there are are some folks who are markedly faster than a few others ... This year you have an "A" group and a "B" group ... The "A" group is considerably and consistently faster and we do measure that with times ...
Collins has consistently been slower than the top guys ... Therefore he has much less of a shot at the podium ... Last year was a "slow" year all the way around ... I said before Worlds last year that if there was ever a time for someone to step up and steal a title, last year was it ... And that is exactly what happened ... No one will be stealing a title this year ... Too much talent ... Too many healthy and properly prepared individuals ...
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Dan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Easy...
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| Conway wrote: | | Blaze wrote: |
You have to get off your fetish for "times" didn't Patrick Johnson lead the world last season with hs 9.93? Where was he when it counted? Didn't two Nigerians run faster than Collins last season,where were they? Didn't Bernard Williams lead the world in 200 as far as "times" go? John Capel ran a sluggest 20.17 yet he won the World's. Where was 20.02 Shawn Crawford?
It's about "energy management" once we enter these big meets where rounds are contested. It's who can conserve that speed that counts not if someone ran a ....whatever! At this level there are no slow pokes! |
What fetish for times ??? I told you you can't read (talking about comprehension here) ...
It's not times, its consistency ... Williams and Crawford ran their singular fast races over 200 last year during the European circuit ... They weren't even on the US team at Worlds !!! Get facts and figures together before you start talking ...
So what if Patrick Johnson lead the world with his 9.93, he had nothing close to a good backup time - let alone a great one ...
And we're talking the 100 meters here ... Its about sharpness in this meet ... Best come with your "A" game ... Energy management ??? Quit trying to throw around big words to impress .... If you can't put together 2 sharp races a day for 2 days you don't belong ... Period ...
At this level there are no slow pokes ??? Duh !!! What there are are some folks who are markedly faster than a few others ... This year you have an "A" group and a "B" group ... The "A" group is considerably and consistently faster and we do measure that with times ...
Collins has consistently been slower than the top guys ... Therefore he has much less of a shot at the podium ... Last year was a "slow" year all the way around ... I said before Worlds last year that if there was ever a time for someone to step up and steal a title, last year was it ... And that is exactly what happened ... No one will be stealing a title this year ... Too much talent ... Too many healthy and properly prepared individuals ... |
"Energy management" might be big words to you, they aren't to me.It's more than obvious you are new at this.What 17 maybe 18?
This is going to fun I love to teach young yuns. |
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Dan
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Conway's actually been around the sport much longer than 17-18 years, let alone being that age. I don't agree with everything he says, but I always respect the basis for his opinions. He's as knowledgeable a sprint fan as anyone I've run across, and I don't say that lightly having myself been a collegiate sprint coach for 5 years.
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| Dan wrote: | Conway's actually been around the sport much longer than 17-18 years, let alone being that age. I don't agree with everything he says, but I always respect the basis for his opinions. He's as knowledgeable a sprint fan as anyone I've run across, and I don't say that lightly having myself been a collegiate sprint coach for 5 years.
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I guess I'll have to see for myself then, as of right now I'm not impressed.Who isn't aware of what's going on right now? It's when you start going a little deeper than...."boy Asafa looked good!"....that seperates the men from the boys. |
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I've yet to see you demonstrate clearly what indicates Conway is not aware of what's going on. 
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Dan wrote: | I've yet to see you demonstrate clearly what indicates Conway is not aware of what's going on.
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I'm not saying he isn't aware of who the major players are
"today".
Let this happen it might be entertaining,no doubt educational.
You mentioned something about doubting that I knew more about this than you guys here.When this is over and Conway has been exposed, remember that statement. |
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Dan
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You're making yourself look extremely foolish, and I guarantee you you're impressing no one. Why bother?
Tell us something about yourself and what makes you so much smarter than others, otherwise do everyone a favor and scurry off to some other hidey hole.
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| Dan wrote: | You're making yourself look extremely foolish, and I guarantee you you're impressing no one. Why bother?
Tell us something about yourself and what makes you so much smarter than others, otherwise do everyone a favor and scurry off to some other hidey hole.
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You act like it's a real big deal to have a little joust here concerning sprint knowledge. I think it will be fun and like I said who here is up on Mozelle Ellerbe or Howard Drew? Who did Bob Hayes run with on that Florida A&M 4X1 team? Who was the "Franklin Flash"?
Conway will learn a little "depth" as will this entire board you act like that is a bad thing...........why? Who was that first great African sprinter anyhow?
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Conway
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We're here to exchange ideas in an intelligent manner ... Not play games ... That is what makes this site quite different than other sites ... We've worked hard to develop that type of community here and will continue to do so ... This site is much more sedate in that way ....
Now if you'd like to discuss issues here that is fine ... If, as it appears, you prefer to simply talk out loud, I have some sites I can refer you to ... but I will not lower myself to your form of "showin em" ...
As for being a "youngster", I've been 18 a couple times now, and then some ... Although I am not the 55 - 60 year old that you appear to be ... I'm quite versed in the history of the sport .... However, we are dealing in the here and now here on this board and take walks down memory lane only when appropriate - within the context of expanding the discussion ...
We also tend to stick to topic here ... If you care to start a thread on trivia there are appropriate areas here to do that ... But quite frankly, right now with Zurich coming up and then the Games themselves, I don't t hink you'll find many, if any, wanting to play ...
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Blaze
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| Conway wrote: | We're here to exchange ideas in an intelligent manner ... Not play games ... That is what makes this site quite different than other sites ... We've worked hard to develop that type of community here and will continue to do so ... This site is much more sedate in that way ....
Now if you'd like to discuss issues here that is fine ... If, as it appears, you prefer to simply talk out loud, I have some sites I can refer you to ... but I will not lower myself to your form of "showin em" ...
As for being a "youngster", I've been 18 a couple times now, and then some ... Although I am not the 55 - 60 year old that you appear to be ... I'm quite versed in the history of the sport .... However, we are dealing in the here and now here on this board and take walks down memory lane only when appropriate - within the context of expanding the discussion ...
We also tend to stick to topic here ... If you care to start a thread on trivia there are appropriate areas here to do that ... But quite frankly, right now with Zurich coming up and then the Games themselves, I don't t hink you'll find many, if any, wanting to play ... |
I'm actually 32 with a "need to know" mentality. I enjoy the search that results in expanding my knowledge and enjoyment of the sport. I find that aspect of it far more enlightening/entertaining than....."can Mo win?" or "who will win the 200?" that's rather boring.
Who can't.........
My 100 meter predictions for Athens
1.Justin Gatlin
2.Asafa Powell
3.Mo Greene
4.Shawn Crawford
5.Francis Obikwelu
6.Kim Collins
7.Zakari
8.Aliu
What a shame Obikwelu left Nigeria.They have a formable 4x1 without him if he was there on anchor they might challenge the Americans. Then there's Jeremy Wariner and.........
That's too easy....... |
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As one of the "Elder Statesmen" of this forum I have been debating on what my contribution could be to this conversation. I don't think I can improve on what Dan and Conway have said to you Blaze concerning your methods of communication. So I will simply say welcome and try to respect the civil atmosphere we have established here at Run-Down.
And please bring on all your knowledge of the sprinting world. My knowledge is the least at the shortest races but increases as the distance of the race does.
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