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Conway · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:14 am Post subject:

True ... But ... Can't one combine speed with mutiple reps and create endurance work ??? Course haven't we had this conversation before ??? LOL ...
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Dan · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject:

Perhaps, but I doubt that's where he's at. He's coming off, what, 12k XC in the fall? Then a handful of mediocre indoor races. I don't see where in that mix he had time to drop the mileage down and build back up with a volume of speed. There's only one conclusion I see it all adding up to, and that is that he is tapered down heavily from a fall and winter of high mileage and/or heavy training.

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Conway · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 4:02 pm Post subject:

Well Webb set yet another PR today in the mile in London ... 3:50.73 ... What is wrong with him ??? Very warm conditions there today ... And he's out there trying to compete with the best !!! Doesn't he realize that all he has to do is compete with himself ... Just be happy with however he is running ?!?!? Why is he out there trying to win races and be competitive with those guys ??? His coach must be an idiot !!!

All said of course tongue in cheek ...

I want to see him medal in Athens so badly ... And perhaps ... Just perhaps ... He hasn't peaked yet !!!
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Micah Ward · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:12 am Post subject:

Another great thing about that race is that Webb is less than a second from the win. And that is what you were talking about. He isn't just trying to run fast.....he is trying to win!!!!!!!!

What a refreshing approach from an American distance runner.

Another good result from London was Tim Broe running a 6 second PR in the 5000 and making the A standard for the Olympics.
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Conway · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:24 am Post subject:

Webb is right there ... He's got the most heart of any middle distance runner since Spivey ... And is the best period since Ryun in my opinion ... Unless the Athens race is hyper fast, I think Webb has a shot ...
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Micah Ward · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:53 pm Post subject:

That is exactly the reason Webb does have a shot. I don't see the final being exceptionally fast. It will be the typical championship tactical race with a big kick in the last lap. And if he is still with the leaders 300 meters out he has a chance.
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Adam · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:21 pm Post subject:

My prediction is that Webb will get top nine, but will not medal, which would be the best an American has done in a long, long time.

It looks extraordinarily difficult for him to medal since there should be 11 athletes there with faster 1500m times this year. Plus the fact that he'd have to beat the likes of El G, Ngeny, Kiptanui, or Lagat just to get a bronze.

Dan · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 2:58 pm Post subject:

I'm liking his chances more than I did a month or two ago, largely because he's done pretty much what I said he needed to in dropping the level down a few notches so he could hit a second peak in time for Athens. I don't think he'll have a problem making that final, at which point PRs aren't all that important in relation to racing savvy.

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Adam · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:54 pm Post subject:

Webb is behind all those guys in racing savvy too, since he is younger and much less experienced with competing in world-class meets. No one is predicting that Webb has any chance to medal except some optimistic Americans. If Webb medals I'll shave a Nike swoosh onto my head. Wink

Dan · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject:

Savvy is a lot more than experience, however. Actually, it's almost the opposite of experience, being largely an intuitive thing. Knowing when to hit high gear and when to bide your time and wait...

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Guest · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure if he has that good judgement or not. He's done poorly in past meets like the NCAA and USATF championships where he couldn't rely on being in dominant physical condition. Of course we'll find out where he's really at in a few weeks anyway.

Dan · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:27 pm Post subject:

The US Trials seemed to be a big step up in tactical racing, and he showed he knew how to run his own race in the HS record outing at Pre. The stuff in between may have just been him being out of sorts at Michigan.

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Adam · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:32 pm Post subject:

He was definitely out of sorts at Michigan. It's amazing how far that set him back.

Paul · Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:03 am Post subject:

In reply to Dan's 29 June remark, I was in complete agreement at the time. Webb's chance was to go back to some base training and try to engineer a double peak. His competition wasn't looking to be that hot at the Trials, plus it wasn't like he was going to do multiple months of aerobic training. Wasn't he the only one, in fact, who actually ran an A list time there??

Conway, you should know that to train hard intervals at the kind of volume you were hinting at would cause such CNS problems as to rapidly cause overtraining. Francis wrote about that in Speed Trap.

Adam, I agree with your placement of Webb in the final, though I could see him finishing in the top 6. I see him finishing 15m behind the winner in a fast race.
In the Pre Meet, he was paced close to a 1:50 800, and finished the next half in about 2 minutes. The next breakthrough for him will be to run a sub 2:50 1200 with a 40 sec last 300.

Dan, what kind of training have you seen from Webb from before the Trials??
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Conway · Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:34 am Post subject:

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