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Conway · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:25 am Post subject:

I'm always surprised that pole vaulters don't take a jump at a low hieght just to get a mark in and test the surface etc ... Then you can come back in whenever you want ...

Jamaica has always been a sprint power ... Too bad they have trouble now a days keeping their talent at home ... Britain has a small group but they are very good ... I am dying to see what transpires outdoors this year ... Worlds will be a showdown between the Americans, Brits and Carribean !!!
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Dan · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:43 am Post subject:

I believe the primary reason (for both vaulters and high jumpers) is so they don't have to warm up early, sit around for a long time through the low heights, then warm up again. It's either that or take an attempt at a lot of extra heights to stay loose... The only way around it I can think of is a massive changing of the rules. Something like small groups of vaulters/jumpers -- maye 3 to 4 per group -- where the bar can go up or down as they cycle through their order. You would then need some way of advancing people out of groups so that you can get the desired head to head matchups as the competition progresses...

Conway · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 11:19 am Post subject:

I think one of those could make the finals ... The sprints are too "iffy" to rule them out ... But I truly believe that the fight for medals will be among the afore mentioned 3 areas ... I wish that the Worlds would truly become that and advance athletes based on performance and not this limit of 3 per country ... Could you imagine a start list for the 1st round of the Worlds that would include:

Maurice Greene
Tim Montgomery
Justin Gatlin
John Capel
Brian Lewis
Terrence Trammell
Jon Drummond
Mark Lewis Francis
Jason Gardener
Dwain Chambers
Kim Collins
Frankie Fredericks

Well you get the picture ... Instead of athletes having to fight it out at Nationals meets just send em all to Paris (or wherever they are held in any given year) and let the show begin !!!!! Go say top 64 in the World to work to a final of 8 through 4 rounds !!! I'd pay BIG bucks to watch THAT !!!

But back to our show ... Michelle Colins 22.18 in a runaway ... She has GOT to run this event outdoors ... Even if that wasn't her original plan ... This puts her AHEAD of Marion at this stage ... And it has got to move her 400 near sub 49 range ... This has got to be the revelation of this meet ...
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Dan · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 11:25 am Post subject:

Wow, that's HUGE for Collins. Surprised

Is she with a new coach or anything this year? That's a rather dramatic improvement, considering she didn't look like much of a speed 400m runner last year. That time should make her an early favorite for the Outdoor 200m...

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Conway · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 11:45 am Post subject:

Collins is now with George Williams who is the track coach at St Augustines college in North Carolina ... He is going to be on next years Olympic squad ... Colander Richardson and Jerome Young have also switched to him ...

Collins old best is 22.57 OUTDOORS !!! She's destroyed that this indoor season ... She also has an 11.19 100 best ... I am surious as to what she could run a 100 in now !!! she's got sub 11/sub22/sub 49 writen all over her at his point ...
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Dan · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:24 pm Post subject:

I figured there had to be a coaching change in the mix somewhere... Cool

Sounds like it was a very wise move. Do you expect to see a return to form for Jerome Young?

Collins was steady in the 400m last year, but she seemed to lack the speed to open aggressively with Guevara and Fenton. It looks like that shouldn't be a problem this year, so we could see some pretty exciting races. If Freeman, Perec, and Merry all come back as promised, wow, that could be a heck of a 6-way battle. Although, I remember saying pretty much the same thing about the women's 800m last year, and it never materialized...

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Justin · Varsity Joined: 08 Oct 2001 Posts: 312 Location: London

2 golds for the UK today, Ashia Hansen and Marlon Devonish.

The 200m final was held up for ove 5 minutes by Allyn Condon, who false-started twice and then ran 'under protest'. The debate went on for much too long and deflated everyone. Devonish ran well, it's his first title. The 1-2-3-4-5-6 ran in lanes 6-5-4-3-2-1 (including Condon, who was of course dq'd).

Women's TJ was great. Hansen jumped 14.77 in round 1 but Francoise Mbango went out to 14.88 right after. hansen then went out to 15.01 in round 5. Great competition and the second time in a year Hansen has done that to Mbango.

The 60mH looks to be between Olijars, Johnson, Garcier and Jackson. Anything could happen, those 4 could finishy in any order.

Great men's LJ as well. Dwight Phillips was leading with 8.23 until the last but one jump, when Yugo Lamela jumped 8.28. Phillips then responded with 8.29 to win with the last jump of the competition. Yamela's had been a great effort, since right before him Miguel Pate had jumped 8.21 to go ahead of him into silver! Made up for some unlucky US performances, including John Godina losing the shot by 1cm in the last round, the 200m dq's, Trammell's injury and Dragila's no height. Tom Pappas did win the heptathlon by a big margin though, from Roman Sebrle.

Caines again looked stronger than Washington as they met in the semis, although both were being cagey. Driss Maazouzi won a good 1500m after kicking with 300m to go and just hanging on, very bravely, from Bernard Lagat.

Michelle Collins 22.18 was very impressive, very powerful. Muriel Hurtis looked to have got on terms with around 70m to go but Collins pulled right away. Tomorrow's 800m final looks great - 4 ran under 2mins in the semis.

Justin

Conway · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:34 pm Post subject:

So JUstin aside from her power did Collins look "quick" or "fast" ... Quickness has seemed to be her downfall over 400 ... My only worry about her is that a few years ago she ran sub 49 split at Penn and looked ready to conquer the world and then did nothing else of note for the rest of the year ... But her 200 times have come down steadily over the indoor seasson so perhaps this time will be different ...

Dan one thing I am learning is that races that are supposed to happen rarely do ... The 200 was supposed to be the race of the 2000 games and wasn't ... The 72 100 was supposed to be Hart v Borzov and didn't happen .. The 76 100 was supposed to be Williams v Quarrie and didn't happen ... I could go on and on ... So we will see how the matchups go tomorrow ... LOL ...

This is the first time in a long time that the indoor season has got me excited about the outdoor season ... This could be a transition year for the women's sprints ... Same for the men's ... Happens about every 10 years or so and the last transition stage was somewhere between 93/95 ... So we are right there again ...
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Dan · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:45 pm Post subject:

Conway · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 9:51 pm Post subject:

I was wondering the same thing (false start rule) ... First major event in use (if it was) and you have a delay of that nature ... Sort of make it look bad ....

Question: how did MLF take not medaling ??? And do you think the Brits will be able to challenge the US In teh 4x4 ???
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Micah Ward · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 7:06 am Post subject:

I was a little surprised to see Lagat get beat. And does anyone know why Teeter isn't there?
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Conway · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 7:51 am Post subject:

I'd have to say I was not surprised that he did not win ... Losing becomes a habit just as winning does ... I think he is getting to the point where winning is becoming a real challenge ... Finding ways to lose rather than ways to win .. I am surprised at who he let beat him ... But then outdoors is a different animal too ... So we'll have to see howhe does once he gets outside ...

And Micah, no Gail Devers statements ??? I'm shocked ... Not sure why Teter wasn't there ...
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Conway · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 8:24 am Post subject:

Well we're closing out the Worlds in fine fashion so far this morning ... Washington over Caines over 400 with a nice 45.34 !!! Dying to see the race as Caines was 45.43 himself ... But as I had said before Tyree is an animal when it comes to competition .. Baring injury he is the heir apparent ...

Krummenaker takes the 800 in 1:45.69 over Kipketer's 1:45.87 !!! Krummenaker has become the real deal and at this point I am almost expecting him to medal outdoors ... And a gold would not be out of reach at this point ...

Jacobs takes 1500 in 4:01.67 over Kelly Holmes 4:02.66 ... As I thought there is no one that can run with Regina right now save for the young Turk ... Male distance runners of America take note - front running CAN be profitable ... LOL ....

Hurdles, relays and men's 3000 to go ... And in all but the 3000 we have medal chances ... Not bad considering all of the "disasters" that we have had over the past few days ...
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Dan · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:26 am Post subject:

Wow, I'm stunned... Krummenacker beating the other Special K, and Jacobs not only showing up but winning, and in fine fashion no less. Very impressive!

Kelly Holmes doesn't seem to win many races, but she sure makes them a battle...

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Conway · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:44 am Post subject:

I like Holmes ... She's always fighting ... Always in the mix ... Krummenaker is just something else ... Went from nobody to somebody last year and appears ready to seriously get in the mix this year ... Makes me get excited about the 800 again ...

Justin how did everything look ... I've got 20 min then I get one hour of coverage ... Yea !!!
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