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Hammer · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 1:01 pm Post subject:

DG- I saw Erin Belger run @ the NM State championships as a senior. She was entered in +-9events. Everythin from the 200-1600. She won the 800 and 1600 pretty easily. 1600 in 5.06 I think.

coachd · Water Boy Joined: 09 Sep 2002 Posts: 72 Location: Out west

I was pretty surprised to see Belger toeing the line at the Millrose race...although I don't believe she fared very well (2:19 is pretty slow on any track for a national caliber athlete). My speculation would be that her name helped her get into the meet (although she did run 2:04 outdoors and took 3rd at the NCAA's last year)--her dad was a Millrose Mile champ in high school and I'm pretty sure he won a couple 800's there later on as well. Out of high school Belger was an animal...big, strong and fast. My (totally wrong) assesment was that she would not get any faster and might very likely get slower in college. I had seen her workout a couple times and had seen her race with not much heart on a couple of occassions. I got the impression she ran because her father and mother were great runners, not because she really wanted to or enjoyed it very much. She is done at Cal after this indoor season and is serving as an undergraduate assistant coach for them. Nice to see a couple former NM 800 champs doing well--Belger and Krummenaker.

Distance_Guru · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 4:32 pm Post subject:

I was at that state meet. She was one heck of a good high school athlete. But her race at Millrose was pretty ugly. We've got three girls on our track team that will proably run 2:19 this weekend.
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Justin · Varsity Joined: 08 Oct 2001 Posts: 312 Location: London

Re: Anonymous poster on Harrison Dillard

I'm perfectly well aware of Harrison Dillard, despite my callow youth, but thanks for the patronising reminder anyway.

You didn't bother to read my post properly. The 110mH has stagnated for 20 yrs and my view is that, with hurdling technique all but perfected, scope for improvement comes from ever faster sprinters taking up the event.

Trammell, with his 10.04, is already the fastest man to reach world class in the hurdles and looks like a sub 10 100m runner. Perhaps he can be the one to break through 12.90. Dillard, with bests of 10.3 and 13.6, has no relevance to this argument.

Justin

PS I have a real problem with anonymous posting - why the shyness?

PELLMELL · Water Boy Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 12

Justin if you check back you will see i posted under my name, i to dont like anonymous posters. I dont think you can compare times made over 50 years ago with what the runners are turning in now. Conditions then were primative , compared to now. So who now what a guy like Harrison Dillard would have done under todays conditions. By the way your times for Bones are incorrect he ran a 10.2 100 and 13.5 for the hurdles on dirt tracks. Anyway no hard feelings, just an old sprinter having a little fun.
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Justin · Varsity Joined: 08 Oct 2001 Posts: 312 Location: London

Dillard is irrelevant to the point I was making about the new dimension Trammell may bring to a stagnant event. No-one is trying to make comparisons across the ages except you. Now, if you want to start a thread about the greatest hurdler/sprinters, cool, that would be a debate in which Dillard would figure prominently.

During that debate I'd mention his 120yH best of 13.6, a WR at the time, run at the Kansas Relays in Lawrence on 17 Apr 48. And his legal 100m best of 10.3, run winning the OG in London in 1948.

PELLMELL's your real name? Oh. OK.

Justin

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Dan · Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 12:39 pm Post subject:

Justin's question regarding not providing your name was a valid one, just not entirely correct in that it was not a truly anonymous post. As many know, I disapprove of people not using their actual names, but at the same time it isn't a big enough deal with me to not allow them to do as they wish. That said, let's try to return to the Milrose/hurdling topic...

Dan
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Conway · Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2003 9:47 pm Post subject:

Comparaisons aside I think Justin is correct ... Dillard was typical of hurdlers during that time period in that many sprinters hurdled and vice versa ... Heck Jesse Owens was a WR holder in the 200m/220yd hurdles ... But comparing Dillard to "modern" hurdlers is a bit off when looking at someone like TRammell ...

The hurdles have stagnated ... Nehemiah ran sub 13.00 two decades ago !!! That is an eternity in sport ... And the WR is only .02 off Nehemiah's time ... Renaldo had speed 10.24 I believe - or therebouts - and tremendous technique ... Greg Foster (a 20.20 sprinter) was right at the brink of 13 at 13.03 ... They changed the event !!! What was once an event where 13.3x was outstanding and 13.4x could win most events, became an event where it took 13.3x to get a sniff and 13.1x the standard ... Big meets went in 13.0x to 12.9mid ... And it is still there now !!!

Trammell is one of a new breed ... Larry Wade is another who works with sprinters and has very good speed ... And Justin GAtlin has run 13.4something concentrating on the sprints ... I do think that the next "barrier breaker" will be a hurdler adept at sprinting ...
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Dan · Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2003 6:49 pm Post subject:

A few excerpts from today's USATF release:

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