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X King Varsity
Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 431 Location: Great Britain
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 6:58 am Post subject: Tim Mongtomery |
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I know this news is almost a fortnight old, but Run-Down has to give some of its comments to what has happened in the whole THG situation and the banning of Montgomery.
I agree with his banning and believe that Marion should suffer the same fate. When is her hearing scheduled for??? _________________ Doubt whom you will, But never yourself.
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Dan Chief Pontificator
Joined: 22 Mar 1999 Posts: 9334 Location: Salem, OR
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I really haven't followed it all that much. I guess I'd say it's basically what was expected, although I don't think it's right coming down that hard when someone hasn't even tested positive. It's like they're trying to cover for their own testing inadequacies by shifting the attention and blame. Of course, it doesn't help that neither Montgomery or Gaines testified at their own hearings, apparently. Sort of tough to argue your case that way...
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=2257596
Quote: | "It is always a great day for clean athletes when individuals who cheat are held accountable and stripped of the rewards gained through doping," USADA chief executive officer Terry Madden said in a statement. |
It's not such a great day when you consider the likelihood of rewarding another doped athlete in the process by readjusting the medals.
I haven't seen what happens to the status of the relays Montgomery and Gaines ran on. Are those results being stripped and/or the other athletes excused of the whole "tainting" thing?
Quote: | "One of the big outstanding questions is, how much evidence is enough for a doping agency to find an athlete guilty without a positive test?" |
There's the million dollar question...
Quote: | USADA originally sought lifetime bans for both runners but lowered its request to four years after dropping charges of "assisting or inciting" doping and "trafficking" in drugs. |
That troubles me. They were clearly going for the maximum punishment available and sidestepping anything tangible in order to get there. Testimony of someone else deemed to be cheating is enough to condemn people now?
No idea when Marion steps up to the guillotine...
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Indeurr Olympic Medalist
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Forgive my faulty memory, but which Micheal Johnson incident are you referring to? Oh, do you mean the Harrisons with MJ as one of the team members?
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Indeurr Olympic Medalist
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I figured would be the case here. USATF's stand has long been that relays, and sometimes even other competitors, are tainted even retroactively.
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Everything that Montgomery and Gaines ran gets stripped - including relays ... And that comes down from the IAAF ... So there will be some issues with giving medals back in the relays ...
Very unfortunate ... But there is prescedent now, with MJ refusing to give his medal back from 2000 ... So will be interesting to see what stand both USATF and IAAF take on this issue ... _________________ Conway
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: |
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That's a lot of relays... Good thing the US dropped the baton in most of them.
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Now THAT would be funny if it weren't so sadly true !!!! _________________ Conway
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Indeurr Olympic Medalist
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Indeurr Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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A couple months ago, I did read a comment by Marcin Urbas, on line, in the outmost South Poland’s daily news paper, Dziennik Polski. He said that he cannot believe that an athlete can go true six heats over a couple days performing his best in nearly every heat without doping.
Well, he knows something, but his knowledge is wrong.
Do athletes dope in between meets to recover, and does IAAF look the other way for profit reasons? I do believe that they do (both).
However, if you read Lore of Running by Tim Noakes, MD, you learn that all it takes not to get tired, and perform at the highest level is either a 66.6% or 100% oxygen mixture. An athlete breaths this kind of mixture for a couple minutes just before his or her very first competition. It works like dope, or even better.
Do athletes dope during pre-competitive period – probably most of them do.
However, he is wrong in this particular case. _________________ http://vincovitanj.tripod.com/Do_not_be_a_victim1/index.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u43o595CARQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x22Alfgv0DY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgcD2akmeJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB0RcWYMwXU
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: |
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It isn't a matter of not getting tired, it's the stresses placed on the muscles and tendons to perform at that level of intensity repeatedly in such a short period of time. Oxygen masks will have no effect on that.
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Indeurr Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: |
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A professional athlete learns how to live with pain. In the case of minor pain: small amounts of caffeine may relieve it. Yes – the tendons will get damaged, but taking steroids, in small doses, in between meets will make healing quick.
What the breathing of the pure or close to pure oxygen seems to do is to prevent the accumulation the lactic acid or “oxygenated” lactic acid. I do make a distinction clear between the lactic acid and “oxygenated” lactic acid because lactic acid may be responsible for the so—called second—breath in the ultra—marathon road races: during a very long race people seem to be able to utilize lactic acid as a source of energy that runs out ones it becomes “oxygenated.”
I love the many levels of energy systems:
Alactic: pure burn just like the cold fusion lasts only 4 to 7 seconds can be extended trough the cheating of the neuro--muscular system (1s at maximum speed and 1s at near max), so the brain does not shot down the muscles, and the alactic system does not get overstrained too soon: uses energy already stored in every single cell.
40 yards to 400 meters
Anaerobic or Lactic: uses energy stored in the muscles at large, so to speak.
200 meters to 3000 meters
Aerobic: uses energy stored in the body
600 meters to marathon (circa 42 K or 25 miles)
Lactic Byproduct: 30 K to 100 K or so.
Dan, whether you agree or not, please, and the old timers, and coaches, please do not give anyone a hint or a clue, why do the above overlap, and why should they overlap? _________________ http://vincovitanj.tripod.com/Do_not_be_a_victim1/index.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u43o595CARQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x22Alfgv0DY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgcD2akmeJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB0RcWYMwXU
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Paul Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Aerobic can also be alactic. Alactic simply means you are hardly creating any lactate. Running at less than 60-65% max HR would accomplish this. _________________ Paul
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