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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Its a lot of fun ... And requires almost as much luck as skill in picking ... You can pick an all star team and get beat cause they rarely compete ... The fun is in the playing .... _________________ Conway
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | And requires almost as much luck as skill in picking ... |
More, in my case.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Dan wrote: | Sounds like we're in pretty good agreement ... all three of us. So, unless anyone objects, how's this look for a meet schedule?
June
Fri 11 Oslo/Bergen NOR GL
July
Fri 2 Rome ITA GL
Tue 6 Lausanne GP
Fri 23 Paris FRA GL
Mon 26 Athens GP
August
Fri 6 Zurich SUI GL
20-29 Athens OLYMPIC GAMES
September
Fri 3 Brussels BEL GL
Sun 12 Berlin GER GL
Sat 18 - Sun 19 IAAF World Athletics Final, Monaco, MON
Makes for a nice full July schedule, a slight August with a big buildup to the Olympics, and a solid September slate to finish things off.
As for events...
Men
* 100m
200m
800m
1500m
* 5k/10k
Women
100m
400m
1500m
3000m/5000m
High Jump
* non-GL events, would need to be scaled to make purchase prices more attractive.
10 events sounds like a bit much, given the time it takes to enter the results for each meet... I'd be in favor of adding either the 100m or 5k/10k for the men, but probably not both. I'm thinking 8 events total, which means either go with just the GL events or drop one of the women's. Any preferences? I would probably say axe either the 1500m or 3k/5k, since they're fairly redundant and draw a lot of the same athletes.
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Men
* 100m
200m
800m
1500m
Women
100m
400m
1500m
High Jump
I believe that the above presented list is the list of events that most of us, in spite of personal preferences, is ready to agree on.
The main struggle comes when it comes additional events. I think that the best replacement for the long distance events would be either 400 m hurdles, or long jump. |
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Indeurr??
I don't have any good scoring model for the 400h, but the long jumps are doable. Still would need to decide how to handle scaled pricing for the men's 100m, which is non-GL this year...
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:05 am Post subject: |
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We could go with 7, but it's a bit sparse. Less for me to enter each meet...
The problem with the men's 100m is that it isn't a Golden League event this year. Based on the past 2 years, that means it could be held rather infrequently. It is the glamor event, though, so I can't imagine many meets would skip it entirely. Maybe just smaller fields.
The long jumps are ok, but unless they have GL status, they'll only be contested once or twice on the GL circuit.
I don't have any acceptably accurate scoring models for the 400 hurdles, so they can't really be used fairly.
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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The 100 is the glamour event and i think it will be in most meets no matter what ... Especially if a few of the top guys can be boulght ... I would expect that the longer the distance the less frequently it will be run ... Just a guess ...
I agree that 7 is too few ... Could do away with the women's 5k ... I don't think that the top woment will contest it much ... _________________ Conway
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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If we do the men's 100, do we risk going with a non-scaled purchase price, or try to figure what percentage of the time it will be contested? Also, because the 200 is the GL event this year, there's a chance some people that would normally run the 100 will go where the money is that meet...
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Well, how different are the scaled and non scaled prices ?? If I remember correctly we calculated them fairly closely ... As for the 100 & 200 BOTH being contested, my guess is that the 100 will always be a premier event whether it has GL status or not ... I don't think there will be too many defections ... And most of the top talent out there now are doublers anyway ... _________________ Conway
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Here's the thread where we discussed scaling the events:
http://run-down.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1365
Not sure we ever fine tuned it all that much...
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:13 am Post subject: |
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OK ... I think the conversation was headed in the right direction ... And since this is for fun anyway and there is no money on the line for anyone, I see no harm in attempting to do the scaling ... I think it would add to the game ... What do you think ??? _________________ Conway
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:16 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to guess that the 100 will be contested ... Basing that on the assumption that at least one or tow guys have hit some outstanding marks by then ... And as a marquee event the four will want to try to attract them to their events in this high profile season ... _________________ Conway
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Another thought I had is that the 100 may be a bit slower this year, like last year when 10.00 was the mark of excellence, not 9.90 like we've seen in recent years. That'll be reflected in the performance points awarded to any given mark. Since the degree of contestation (did I just make up a new word??) of the men's 100m is still somewhat in question, maybe give it a slight purchase price scaling to account for the two factors? Like 5-10%, not 2-3x like we were talking about with last year's women's 400m.
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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In my opinion you don't have to worry about all the minute adjustments too much. It just comes down to the individual's own choice on whether it's worth it or not. Basically, it's all strategy either way, so it doesn't really matter to me. |
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