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Conway · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:17 am Post subject:

Its a lot of fun ... And requires almost as much luck as skill in picking ... You can pick an all star team and get beat cause they rarely compete ... The fun is in the playing ....
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Dan · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:39 am Post subject:

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Dan · Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 3:16 pm Post subject:

Indeurr??

I don't have any good scoring model for the 400h, but the long jumps are doable. Still would need to decide how to handle scaled pricing for the men's 100m, which is non-GL this year...

Dan
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Indeurr · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:12 am Post subject:

You guessed right. It was I.
What about going just with seven events? I think that would make the field too narrow.
Could you share with us the details of your problems with the 100 m, broad jump, and 400 m H?
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Dan · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:

We could go with 7, but it's a bit sparse. Less for me to enter each meet...

The problem with the men's 100m is that it isn't a Golden League event this year. Based on the past 2 years, that means it could be held rather infrequently. It is the glamor event, though, so I can't imagine many meets would skip it entirely. Maybe just smaller fields.

The long jumps are ok, but unless they have GL status, they'll only be contested once or twice on the GL circuit.

I don't have any acceptably accurate scoring models for the 400 hurdles, so they can't really be used fairly.

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Conway · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:39 pm Post subject:

The 100 is the glamour event and i think it will be in most meets no matter what ... Especially if a few of the top guys can be boulght ... I would expect that the longer the distance the less frequently it will be run ... Just a guess ...

I agree that 7 is too few ... Could do away with the women's 5k ... I don't think that the top woment will contest it much ...
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Dan · Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:51 pm Post subject:

If we do the men's 100, do we risk going with a non-scaled purchase price, or try to figure what percentage of the time it will be contested? Also, because the 200 is the GL event this year, there's a chance some people that would normally run the 100 will go where the money is that meet...

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Conway · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 5:44 am Post subject:

Well, how different are the scaled and non scaled prices ?? If I remember correctly we calculated them fairly closely ... As for the 100 & 200 BOTH being contested, my guess is that the 100 will always be a premier event whether it has GL status or not ... I don't think there will be too many defections ... And most of the top talent out there now are doublers anyway ...
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Dan · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:02 am Post subject:

Here's the thread where we discussed scaling the events:

http://run-down.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1365

Not sure we ever fine tuned it all that much...

Dan
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Conway · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:13 am Post subject:

OK ... I think the conversation was headed in the right direction ... And since this is for fun anyway and there is no money on the line for anyone, I see no harm in attempting to do the scaling ... I think it would add to the game ... What do you think ???
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Dan · Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:15 am Post subject:

I'm game, we just need to decide on a number... Let's see what we can figure here...

June
Fri 11 Oslo/Bergen NOR GL - http://www.bislettgames.com/ (?)

July
Fri 2 Rome ITA GL - http://www.goldengala.it/ (yes*)
Tue 6 Lausanne GP - http://www.athletissima.ch/ (yes)
Fri 23 Paris FRA GL - http://www.gazdefrance.com/meeting/ (?**)
Mon 26 Athens GP - http://www.tsiklitiria.org/ (?)

August
Fri 6 Zurich SUI GL - http://www.weltklasse.ch/ (yes)
20-29 Athens OLYMPIC GAMES - http://www.olympic.org/uk/games/athens/index_uk.asp (yes)

September
Fri 3 Brussels BEL GL - http://www.memorialvandamme.be/ (yes***)
Sun 12 Berlin GER GL - http://www.istaf.de/english/index.htm (?)
Sat 18 - Sun 19 IAAF World Athletics Final, Monaco, MON - ??? http://www.iaaf.org/results/calendar/year=2004/event/event=WAS/index.htmx (yes)

* Listed as Promotional
** Listed as a GL event, which probably means it's still last year's schedule
*** Listed as a Special event, as opposed to a Premium/Classic or Promotional...

So, that makes 6 yes's (a couple of them tentative) and 4 unknowns. If we can ascertain that the remaining 4 will actually contest the men's 100m, we may not even have to do any scaling, or at least minimally.

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Conway · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:16 am Post subject:

I'm going to guess that the 100 will be contested ... Basing that on the assumption that at least one or tow guys have hit some outstanding marks by then ... And as a marquee event the four will want to try to attract them to their events in this high profile season ...
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Dan · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:48 am Post subject:

Another thought I had is that the 100 may be a bit slower this year, like last year when 10.00 was the mark of excellence, not 9.90 like we've seen in recent years. That'll be reflected in the performance points awarded to any given mark. Since the degree of contestation (did I just make up a new word??) of the men's 100m is still somewhat in question, maybe give it a slight purchase price scaling to account for the two factors? Like 5-10%, not 2-3x like we were talking about with last year's women's 400m.

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graeme · Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:

In my opinion you don't have to worry about all the minute adjustments too much. It just comes down to the individual's own choice on whether it's worth it or not. Basically, it's all strategy either way, so it doesn't really matter to me.

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