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Indeurr Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject: Whom wants to see more 4x200 in World Indoor Championships |
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___Any one.
___I certainly would. It would give a chance for the short-sprint specialists to show-case their abilities.
___What about getting rid-off 200 meters and replacing it with 2x200m or 3x200m? |
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Indoor relays? Ick. The few I've seen are either completely non-competitive or too jumbled to have any real artistic sense of entertainment. Save the relays for Outdoor where there's actually room to compete.
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah the tracks are much too small to really get thigns going ... Relay running indoors becomes a matter of positioning rather than speed ... _________________ Conway
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly. Whoever gets the lead has to really screw up to lose it. I do remember one instance where that factor created excitement (in a non-relay), though. Back around maybe '95, Michael Johnson was running the 400m at the Indoor Worlds, and the big thing was that his competitors were looking to apply the pressure early and get the lead on him at the 200m break. It looked like it was going to play out that way, but just before the break MJ throws in a monster surge and removes any such notions. Truly beautiful to watch.
Conway or anyone else, can you confirm/correct what I'm remembering or add to the details?
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Yes ... That was the season he set the indoor record ... He was sub 45 a couple of times that season ... And it was thought the only way to beat him was to beat him to the break ... And as you said THAT didn't happen !!! _________________ Conway
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Cool, I remembered something right for a change.
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X King Varsity
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:39 am Post subject: |
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Dan wrote: | Exactly. Whoever gets the lead has to really screw up to lose it. I do remember one instance where that factor created excitement (in a non-relay), though. Back around maybe '95, Michael Johnson was running the 400m at the Indoor Worlds, and the big thing was that his competitors were looking to apply the pressure early and get the lead on him at the 200m break. It looked like it was going to play out that way, but just before the break MJ throws in a monster surge and removes any such notions. Truly beautiful to watch.
Conway or anyone else, can you confirm/correct what I'm remembering or add to the details?
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I don't think that MJ was running the 400m at the '95 World Indoors.But he did break the WOrld Record twice during the '95 Indoor Season.
He ran 44.97s and 44.63s
44.63s!!! Some people can't run that for the Outdoor 400m. I heard that when he ran the 44.63s in '95,he had 200m Splits of 21.0s/23.6s!!!
He did run the Indoor 200m,but I think his Best was 'only' 20.55s???
I could be wrong I'll have to check into it.
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:17 am Post subject: |
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One of MJ's greatest qualities was consistency at a very high level. I stopped being overly impressed by his strings of great marks back around '92... The only thing that really surprised me was how long it took him to seriously pursue the 400m record.
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Paul Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Francis feels MJ was capable of sub 42 400 when he was in 19.32 shape. But he was injured slightly after the Olympics when he was thinking of pursueing the 400 record that season. |
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Sub-42 or sub-43? I would agree with sub-43 (although probably not post-bulked up '96), but sub-42 seems rather ambitious.
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Conway Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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yes sub 42 would be rather inhuman ... there have been enough guys at the 43.0 area in relays to show that dipping under 43 is possible ... But a sub 42 !! Sorry they haven't invented the drug to help with that yet !!! LOL ... _________________ Conway
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Indeurr Olympic Medalist
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:34 am Post subject: |
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___The most entertaining indoor relay happened at the last European Indoor Championship, when a team with a person who just became the indoor champion over 400 m flat, a 400 m hurdler*, found themselves in the fourth or fifth place after the first two laps because he was too tired. On each consecutive leg, afterwards, the team members would pass at least one runner to end-up with the gold medal.
*- Marek Plawgo, Poland |
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Paul Olympic Medalist
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Re 200m speed for 400m- THE TWILIGHT ZONE
Don't use Michael as a template for the 400m. He was injured just when he was ready to utterly destroy the 400meter record. I assume his plan was to go for the record in Zurich, 10days after the 1996 Olympics. He cruised to the 400 win in Atlanta because he had to conserve his resources for the 200meters. Lets do the math. The 400meter time should work out to approximately 2x200m hand time + 3.5sec. So, 19.1 + 19.1 + 3.5 (+ .24 back to Electronic timing) = 41.94! Obviously, though, a number of 43 point 400 meter men broke the 3.5 second differential as they were not 20sec 200m performers. |
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Dan Chief Pontificator
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not so sure that reasoning is valid when applied to a "one hit wonder" kind of performance like MJ's 19.32. MJ was obviously very primed for a fast 200m at that time, but probably somewhat at the expense of top 400m conditioning. Even if he could have duplicated the 19.32, which is highly in question, a similar effort in the 400m shortly after probably would not have yielded nearly as eye opening a result.
Also, I think part of the magic of the 19.32 is that it stretched the extended sprint duration longer than was thought possible. Doubling the distance negates that factor, so direct time comparisons become more murky.
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