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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh ... Now getting to the heart of the matter ...
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Published in The Courier Mail (Australia)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why did sprint sweethearts Tim Montgomery and MarionJones leave a successful
training situation to be coached by Ben Johnson's disgraced coach Charlie
Francis?

This is the question which has absorbed the
athletics world since the two hottest talents on the Olympic stage quit
Trevor Graham's North Carolina coaching group on December 13.

Jones won five medals at the Sydney Olympics,including the sprint double,
and Montgomery is the new world record-holder for the 100 metres.

The question of their defectiont remains unanswered publically because
managers, lawyers and maybe also the sponsors of the world's fastest lovers
have stuck their corporate heads in the sand and hoped the relationship with
Francis would collapse before it became public.

Great idea! In North America it took precisely one day before the Toronto
Sun newspaper made the connection because their reporter Steve Buffery saw
the trio training at York University's indoor track.

But in a world exclusive the Daily Telegraph actually broke the story _ a
day before Jones announced she had left Graham _ and two days before any of
the Toronto papers.

The first photographic proof captured by Reuters newsagency was published
globally on December 18.

A major sponsor of both sprinters, Nike, is great at advertising and
promotion, but urgently needs coaching in media relations and crisis
management.

Nike took a hammering in Edmonton at the 2001 world championships when it
refused to allow Jones to speak out against the evil of doping when she gave
her only pre-meet Canadian press conference attended by athletes from local
schools.

Clearly Jones and Montgomery, and thereby Francis, have been gagged to date
and the athletes' managers Charlie Wells and Llewellyn Starks are in denial,
which is unfortunate because they have now been branded as, let's say,
compromised.

How they will explain themselves when inevitably _and surely imminently _
the athletes and Francis are liberated to tell the truth will be
interesting.

Meanwhile, in the absence of clarification from the athletes, speculation
about why Jones and Montgomery jumped ship could benefit from a good dose of
logic instead of condemnation by the International Association of Athletics
Federations president Lamine Diack, not to mention the hysterics displayed
by the organisers of Europe's lucrative Golden League series.

They are threatening to ban Montgomery and Jones due to their still
unacknowledged affiliation with Francis. Now that is a game of monopoly and
collusion lawyers for Jones, Montgomery and Francis could have a lot of
profitable fun playing.

Canadian Francis stumbled from celebrity to infamy as the coach of Ben
Johnson who won the Seoul Olympic 100m in a world record 9.79sec but was
disqualified after tesing positive for an anabolic steroid in the biggest
scandal in Games history.

Without even speaking to Montgomery or Jones, muchless the reformed Francis,
the directors of the six-meet Golden League (in Oslo, Paris, Rome, Berlin,
Zurich and Brussels) intend to take a joint decision on a ban during the
IAAF world indoor championships in Birmingham, England from March 14-16.

Former record-holder and Sydney Olympic 100m champion Maurice Greene entered
the debate when he called Tim Montgomery``stupid'' for switching coaches.

``Do I think Charlie Francis can help him (Montgomery)? No,'' Greene said.

``I think he made a mistake when he left Trevor,''he added. ``Someone
coaches you to a world record and you leave him, you're stupid.''

Is the triple 100m world champion Greene even aware that Francis was a
mentor to his own coach, (John Smith)?

But Greene has come to the heart of the issue in questioning why an athlete
would leave immediately after setting a world record.

A move with such enormous implications could not have been taken lightly. It
could not have been hatched overnight.

You don't set a world record and then just pick up the phone and cold-call
someone who was banned by Athletics Canada from coaching when Montgomery was
only 13-years-old.

How would Montgomery decide Francis was the best coach for him?

Unless they had already worked together.

The fact is they have.

Under Graham's coaching alone in 2000 Montgomery went from running 9.94sec
(in 1997) to a season best of 10.01sec, opening with a 10.50sec shocker.

In late 2000, Francis was called in as a consultant by Graham and Montgomery
to lay out Tim's training plan for 2001.

After his ruinous start (2.01sec for the first 10 metres) at the IAAF world
indoor championships in March 2001, Montgomery had threatened to leave until
Graham agreed to bring in Francis again to design the rest of the 2001
season, from adjusting Montgomery's blockstart mechanics, running and
weight-training program through to selecting the race schedule. The coaching
was conducted in San Francisco (an internet scan revealed).

After Francis' hands-on consultation, Montgomery's start improved
dramatically. Off the blocks he clocked 1.85sec to 10 metres, then went to
Modesto where he clocked 9.96sec shutting down at 50m and jogging in to win
the meet after the insult of being forced to run in the B-division (10.01sec
won the A-race).

The changes propelled Montgomery into a new speedzone when he clocked a huge
personal best 9.84sec in Oslo that season, despite having already lost ``the
feel'' of his new start.

Had Graham not then tampered with Montgomery's start_ or had Francis been
recalled to fix it _ he may well even have won the world title in Edmonton
and run the world record there, instead of losing to an injured and heroic
Greene (9.82sec) in 9.85sec.

So the coaching relationship had been established two years before
Montgomery ran his world record 9.78sec in the IAAF grand prix final on
September 14.

Montgomery must have felt Francis' contribution had been huge for him to
decide _ even with the PR stigma - that he was better off with Francis than
Graham.

That is Graham, the man now credited with enabling Montgomery to set a world
record while his other protege, Jones, could not run the year's fastest
women's 100m.

Jones is nobody's fool. She had some cramped blocksettings and some
restrictive shoulder and hip mechanics which cost her the world 100m crown,
taken by bullet-starting Zhanna Block.

And if it was drugs that these athletes wanted, they would indeed be stupid
to go to Francis. Since his name became synonymous with sportsdoping,
Francis would be the last coach on earth they'd be seen working with.

Today Francis has his own highly successful consulting business and he could
not afford to work with any athletes who he thought were using dope.

Indeed the fact that Francis is working with them is the most credible case
for them all being clean because Francis has always been the world's biggest
sceptic.

So they must be ``clean'' and Francis must be clean.

His jottings over the years have always been aimed at changing things for
the better, pricking authorities into cleaning up sport. He can hardly be
blamed for the drug use which ensued since his departure in 1988.

Authorities consider him anathema perhaps not because he used drugs, but
because he refused to perjure himself and blew apart the whole sham when he
admitted everything under oath at Canada's judicial inquiry chaired by
Charles Dubin in 1989.

If Montgomery and Jones weren't convinced Francis can take them both to
world records just on his coaching ability, they wouldn't have stuck with
him thus far under siege from media, promoters, sponsors, administrators and
dope-testing agencies.

It's time to take the brakes off Montgomery and Jones. Fifteen years after
the Seoul incident, it's also time to forgive a chastened Francis.

It's time to come clean on the most exciting coaching development in the
premier Olympic sport for the benefit of all.


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From an Austrailian publication ... Now that was pretty good ...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to see someone finally looking pass the b.s. explanations and dig a bit deeper, but there's still plenty of questionable reasoning and conclusions in there.

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Nike took a hammering in Edmonton at the 2001 world championships when it refused to allow Jones to speak out against the evil of doping

Anyone know the scoop there? Sounds very fishy. I never trust it when an article throws alarming "facts" around like that with nothing resembling an explanation... Sounds like grapevine reporting, for lack of a better term.

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Is the triple 100m world champion Greene even aware that Francis was a mentor to his own coach, (John Smith)?

What's the nature of that alleged mentoring? I don't recall having seen anything of that sort previously.

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The coaching was conducted in San Francisco (an internet scan revealed).

Come again? An internet scan? Is that the same as reading message boards, or is the author purporting to have hacked into the FBI's email hawking system and read private correspondence between Montgomery and Francis???

Interesting that so much emphasis was apparently placed on Tim's starting mechanics. I didn't realize they were that bad. Has anyone gone back to look at the races in question to see if there were visible differences during the times he was allegedly varying between Francis' and Graham's tutelage? It might squelch the uneasy feeling that the author is just repeating rumors... Neutral

At any rate, it would answer the question I've been wondering about, which is why the successful Graham/Francis situation could not be continued. Sounds like it was a rather contentious relationship. Graham should have been thrilled with it, being widely regarded as an idiot among world class coaches yet getting tons of public respect and admiration for the results he apparently was not responsible for!

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Today Francis has his own highly successful consulting business and he could not afford to work with any athletes who he thought were using dope.

That's a pretty weak line of reasoning; straight from Francis' press release, if I'm not mistaken. Who would go to Francis for help thinking drugs would not be involved? Probably very few, given his reputation and public statements. Furthermore, no one really seems to know who all he has "consulted," so for most lower profile athletes, his reputation is really of no significance. No one is likely to find out...

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His jottings over the years have always been aimed at changing things for the better, pricking authorities into cleaning up sport.

... and that's the weakest statement of all. :t-: You simply cannot throw something like that out there without a strong supporting argument. Of course, such a supporting argument probably doesn't exist, so the author had no choice (other than to skip it)... Francis worked extremely well within a drug-infested system and made no apologies for it, nor did he hint at any remorse. Doesn't quite fit with him aiming for cleaning things up.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 10:31 pm    Post subject: "Nike took a hammering in Edmonton at the 2001.." Reply with quote

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Nike took a hammering in Edmonton at the 2001 world championships when it refused to allow Jones to speak out against the evil of doping

Anyone know the scoop there? Sounds very fishy. I never trust it when an article throws alarming "facts" around like that with nothing resembling an explanation... Sounds like grapevine reporting, for lack of a better term.

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I was at the event referred to here. The top Nike athletes showed up to christen Edmonton's Nike Kids park a day or two before the champs began. Will have to dig out my notes, but if I recall correctly, the focus wasn't on Jones, but rather on a question posed to Paula Radcliffe re: Yegorova. The Nike rep said that in the spirit of the children's park, drug questions would be allowed. Lots of hooting and hollering ensued.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2003 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit confused... How does that reflect on Marion and/or Nike, especially in light of the point the article was trying to make?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really liked that article, but then I'm an unabashed Francis fan.

Here is my offer for the following regulars: Conway, DG, Micah, Hammer, coachd, Justin, X King, Jafar, RangerG. If you want to download the ebook "Speed Trap" from Francis' website I will send you the ten dollars to do so. You can either email me your address or you can do it through Dan if you are not comfortable with that. I will just bring a handfull of stamped envelopes down to Dan and he can address them. Even if you don't agree with everything in the book, I think you will find it most enjoyable, and an eye opener!!

Paul

edited to add Graeme and Mad Dog Mike (training2run) to this list also.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that's quite the offer! Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may even download it myself, just to give my new printer a workout. One thing about ebooks, if you print them out you can make notes in them, something one wouldn't probably do in a normal book.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I stuck to just using post-it flags on pages of note. I spent too long searching for that literary treasure to mark it up. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, guess I'll have ot go out and get the book now ... And I won't even take your money ... I did like the article .. It was the most concise one I have seen to date ... Fills a lot of holes .. Although I had a lot of those filled already ... I am curious to see if there is any kind of responce to it from those involved ....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few quotes from Francis concerning 400m training, Marita Koch, John Smith to dispel some of the false info out there.
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There are many ways to prepare for the 400m and the athlete's individual strengths should be considered. I would suggest that women are more likely to benefit from shorter work as they are less able to approach the event from the strength angle and speed reserve is the key (the difference between best 200m time and 400m race split at 200m).


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Marita ran her special endurance at race pace in an ascending order of distances and a descending number of reps (I don't have the time over which the sequence was carried out) She had timing lights set up every 5 meters set at the planned ultimate race pace and she followed the lights during all of her runs. The runs started with a significant number of 50 meter runs and culminated with one run over 325 meters. When she successfully completed this distance she was considered ready for the 400 race. She raced at the 400 meter distance no more than 2 or 3 times a year. She, of course, ran sprint distances at well above any conceivable race pace (Official PBs of 10.83 and 21.71) I was told by her coach/husband, Wolfgang Meyer, that she ran an unofficial,but electronically timed 21.56 just before the world record of 47.60 that she set in Canberra in 1985. I was there and it was a sight to behold! The key for her was her incredible speed reserve. Her 200m split in Canberra was 22.4h with 33.9 at 300m. As her hand timed 200PB would be 21.3, this left her with a speed reserve of 1.1 seconds. In other words,even though she went out far faster than anyone else,she still had a bigger differential, meaning the split was easier for her than for any of the others!

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I spoke to John in 1988 about his 400 meter training. He described it as similar to what I was doing with one big change. After he spoke to Clyde Hart about the energy system change that occurred at 40sec, he shifted his special endurance runs from 300meters to 350meters. This change moved much of the season's work to times above 40sec. As the athletes got faster and approached the 40sec threshold, he shortened the rest periods to keep them above 40sec a little longer. Then when he wanted them to start peaking, he spread the rest periods and let them fly! Of course, with the people he produced, some of them started turning out 350s in the 37sec range towards the end. Of course,as in all cases, you need to know the whole program to see how the componants interplay.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and since this is a Marion thread of sorts, Charlie's reference to Marion here is worth reading.

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Any tempo should be on grass if at all possible. Because of the pounding effect and the release characteristics of rubberized tracks, the volume should be restricted to what is absolutely necessary. It never ceases to amaze me how many people LIVE on the track. They warm-up on it, do tempo on it, bound on it, do drills on it, you name it. Give your body a break and train on the grass whenever possible. As for the women's 400m, you have to get the right people to do it. I have no doubt that Flo-Jo would have broken the World Record in the 400m also, had she been so inclined. Her Special Endurance numbers stagger the imagination. How about running 2x640meters- going through the 400 split at 49.7 and 50.0 ,with no apparent decelleration and walking away at the end without bending over! Or how about 6x160m (not 150) in 16.4 from a standing start with a 240m walk in between! Today's only apparent threat to the 400m record is Marion Jones, should she get serious about it. With her 100m and 200m speed and physical size, there is absolutely no doubt she could break the record, with the right preparation. So far, without Marion, the event is wide open.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great quotes, thanks Paul! Are those off of Francis' forum?

Man, those are some scary workouts posted there. They would dominate the all-time top-10 lists for shorter distances if taken as race efforts... Surprised

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those were all off Francis' 400m training forum.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2003 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/5103166.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2003 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All these articles appear to sing the same tune except Conway's from Australia. I am wondering, now, if it was really Montgomery who persuaded Marion to seek advice from Francis.
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