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Dan
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| Quote: | | What these folks are using are legitimate items ... Available through your local physician potentially ... |
In many cases, that's true, but I believe drugs such as steroids and EPO are pretty much illegal anywhere. Just thought I'd point out an area where the issue gets clouded. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/2227630.stm
I always find it disturbing in cases like this where athletes who previously appeared to have great respect for each other instantly try to create as much distance as possible. It sounds a lot like Donovan Bailey's remarks toward Ben Johnson. 
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Micah Ward
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Conway, what you are saying makes a ton of sense. It would seem that the next step would be a summit meeting of IAAF, IOC, USATF, etc, along with athletes, coachs and medical professionals to iron out a strategy.
Can you just imagine such a meeting? 
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I guess the 3000m SC will revert back to 7:55  |
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Conway
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Micah Ward wrote: | Conway, what you are saying makes a ton of sense. It would seem that the next step would be a summit meeting of IAAF, IOC, USATF, etc, along with athletes, coachs and medical professionals to iron out a strategy.
Can you just imagine such a meeting? |
I wish I could ... But I really can't ... Things that make sense never seem to happen in sports ... There are always too many "other" issues and concerns that take precedence ... Like egos for example ...
I wish such a meeting would take place ... And some sort of "equitable drug policy" developed ... As in allow some things and ban some others but allow enough leway for athletes to still be able to train to the levelsl they feel they need to train to .. With the banning emphasis on those items which are known to be detrimental to the body over the long term ...
I know I know ... I'm dreaming ... 
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Dan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2002 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Well, I guess the 3000m SC will revert back to 7:55 |
Probably, but that still doesn't fully answer what the record will revert back to..
7:55.72 Bernard Barmasai KEN Brussels 24.08.1997
7:55.28 Brahim Boulami MOR Brussels 24.08.2001
Does Boulami's previous WR get wiped out, a la Ben Johnson, or does it stay on the books like almost every other suspended athlete's? Do we even know that his EPO positive came out of a test directly related to his latest WR? If not, one could envision the record standing and some b.s. explanation that he went on the drugs afterward in order to preserve his top status...
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| Conway wrote: | | I know I know ... I'm dreaming ... |
Dreaming you may be, but that is a dream that I share and would love to see come to fruition. 
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Conway
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| Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2002 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| Dan wrote: | | Quote: | | Well, I guess the 3000m SC will revert back to 7:55 |
Probably, but that still doesn't fully answer what the record will revert back to..
7:55.72 Bernard Barmasai KEN Brussels 24.08.1997
7:55.28 Brahim Boulami MOR Brussels 24.08.2001
Does Boulami's previous WR get wiped out, a la Ben Johnson, or does it stay on the books like almost every other suspended athlete's? Do we even know that his EPO positive came out of a test directly related to his latest WR? If not, one could envision the record standing and some b.s. explanation that he went on the drugs afterward in order to preserve his top status...
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Not trying ot stir anything, but that shows another problem with the current status quo - while we (on one hand) vilify those that are caught for drug use; the books ARE full of records known to be tainted !!! AT one time the IAAF was considering going to a Millenium set of records, but that never happened .. Does anyone know why ??? Starting the year 2000 with a clean book I thought had merit ... Of course there were issues such as MJ's 200 record etc ... But not much different than those who lost record recognition when we went solely to meters and began disregarding all of the "yards" records !!!
Without rambling though, I think a very poor situation with tainted records and individuals being castigated for performing under the same groundwork as those that set them ...
And Dan as far as I know Ben was the ONLY person to lose a record ... And as much as I hate to say it, I believe it had more to do with the potential record setter in waiting than any sort of policy decision ...
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Dan
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| Quote: | | AT one time the IAAF was considering going to a Millenium set of records, but that never happened .. Does anyone know why ??? |
I imagine the thinking was along the lines of, "if we start with a clean slate of records, we're pretty much admitting the old ones were not legit, thus tarnishing athletes' reputations and bringing to light our own ineptitude." They may not have spelled it out in quite that detail, though.
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That's about what it would boil down too. Of coarse if the IAAF was to really start cracking down on cheaters (not counting the magic molecules that can't be detected) it might be like pitchers stats are reguarded today. We could think of the late 80's and 90's as a sort of "dead ball" era for track and field.
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Conway
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Well stats are pretty easy to deal with in my opinion ... You simply declare whatever you want ... The year 2000 would have been easy - technological advances (blah blah blah), closing out the 1900s (blah blah blah), forever sealing in history the exploits of those such as MJ, Bubka, Edwards, Greene (blah blah blah) !!! Make a positive big deal out if it and move on ...
The 2000 Olympics would have been a record setting bonanza ... Over the next few years you have records being set at your most prstigious events around the world ... John Q Public doesn't know about the reason for all of the record breaking, he jsut gets excited becasue he wants to see records !!!
We wasted the marketing opportunity of a lifetime !!! Could still be done just not as conveniently/easy !!!
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Dan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2002 11:19 am Post subject: |
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If a marketing angle is what's needed, 2004 could still be as good a cutoff as any. (Although by the reasoning I'm about to give, it should have been 1996...) Since the average person doesn't know t&f exists outside of the Olympics, the return of the Olys to Athens would make a nice break point in the record books -- BA and AA, so to speak.  Had Athens gotten the bid in '96 like they should have (first modern Olympics in 1896), the symmetry would have bordered on artwork...
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Conway
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Athens would work great ... Preserving the history of hte previous Millenium, etc etc etc ... ... Someone send a note to the IAAF ... Whether they know it or not the sport has an image problem and we can begin to clean it up !!!!
I don't care if they saw it here or not ... If they want ot credit ups or not ... I hope influential people do read the site ... And I hope they do taek some of our positions to heart ...
I do notice that the IAAF is making future Grand Prix finalies 2 day events ... Using the overall rankings as a means of invitation ... And treating the meat as a championship meet ... Hey didn't I suggest something along those lines last year to make it more meaningful and draw the stars so they didn't just run home !!!!
So if anyone is looking changing the records and announcing an new testing/drug program would go a long way towards legitimizing our sport in the eyes of many !!!!
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