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Micah Ward · Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 1:55 pm Post subject:

One other thought. Let's remember Nicole Blood. She is the 14 year old who won the high school girls mile. She beat three runners who will be at Stanford next year. And I liked the way she won. She led for a good portion of the race then was passed then came back to win.
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Conway · Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:10 pm Post subject:

Belger is Mark's daughter and a Cal student (I don't think she graduated yet) ... I thought the meet was ok ... DEvers was awesome ... And Dragila was good ... I think the vault is going very high this year and I hope she is ready ... I was disappointed that there was no one of substance in the women's mile ... I thought Mo was expecting a false start as there was a lot of movement prior to the gun ... Too many starting problems over the past couple of years ... If they are going to change the rules they need to have better trained starters, especially at the major events ... Trammell however is an awesome talent and has been ... Personally I think he would make a better sprinter (100 AND 200) than hurdler ... But he's not my athlete ... AND I thought Blood's race was simply awesome ... I think she has much talent ....
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Dan · Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:13 pm Post subject:

NBC's coverage seemed very dull early on, but picked up throughout the broadcast. I had a real problem with the men's high jump recap, though. I believe they showed 7 attempts, and the first 6 were all misses! What kind of entertainment value is that? It's bad enough the event is known as the one [of two] that always ends in failure, but does the viewing public need to be reminded of only that? :t-:

I couldn't believe how long it took the commentators to realize that young Keino had zero chance of holding that pace. Of the lead pack during the first quarter of the race, he looked the least comfortable. He spent everything he had putting on that foolish surge. Maybe he'll be able to hold it at some point, but Milrose doesn't look to have been the right time to try out that strategy...

Could anyone tell if it was Maurice cussing at the end of the 60m? It sounded like him dropping the F-bomb, but I wasn't sure. He obviously wasn't too happy with his start...

That was the first race I've ever seen Gatlin run. Looks pretty good, although he definitely looks to be more of a long sprinter. Didn't seem like he was ever able to fully open up.

I'd have to give the longer races a very marginal grade. They weren't overly tactical, but they were still a rather pedestrian pace. Nothing terribly impressive there.

Dan
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Distance_Guru · Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:44 pm Post subject:

I was right I went to Cal's sight and she is the runner I remeber from high school. The reason I remeber her is when I was a Sr, I had a female teammate who was awesome (Footlocker All American). She and Belger were obviously the two best runners in the state and Sandia came up to race us (well realy just to race Amy, my teammate). Any way for two miles it was a war, Amy and Erin were flying but at about the 1 1/2 mile mark you could see that Belger was just hanging on for dear life. This went on for a half mile when just past the two mile mark she fainted! In full stride just collapsed, it was the strangest thing. Usually when a person faints they slow down become disoreinted. She went from full speed to face down in two steps absolutly wild.

Not that any of this has anything to do with anything. I just thought it was an interesting story that I'd share.
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Conway · Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 6:24 pm Post subject:

Yeah I think Mo dropped the bomb ... I think he knew what happened and was angry with himself for hesitating ... HE knows he can't afford to give away any races this year ... And on that note wasn't Chambers supposed to be there ??? I know he canceled out of the week before becasue of a minor injury but heard nothing about him NOT being at Millrose ... He just wasn't there ...
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Dan · Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2003 7:47 pm Post subject:

I hadn't heard/paid attention to anything about Chambers one way or the other...

Dan
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Conway · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 8:26 am Post subject:

I just find it interesting that one moment he is calling out Mo and Tim and then the next there is silence ... I understand the way sprinters are and it seems to me that he was feeling pretty good about things and then has sort of disappeared ... Making me think the injury may be more than he is letting on .. The other thing is his countrymen - MLF and Gardener have been running quite well !!!

Gatlin did look good in his debut - speaking of running well ... I am hoping that he is honing his speed for use in the 200 and not just sticking with the 100 or focusing on it ... Even at 6.54 it didn't look as if he had really been able to "open up" ... But after relookign the race he does have sub 10 potential for this season in my opinion ... I t hink he and MLF are going to make things interesting for the older guys this year ... And at his present rate Gardener will be a factor for Britain as well ...
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Micah Ward · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:36 am Post subject:

Random questions:

What will Trammell do this spring? I want him on the Warthogs but what event?

Would Jenny Adams do better with the long jump instead of hurdles?

Conventional wisdom would be to go with El G in the mile/1500 but Lagat sure did impress at Milrose. Is he ready to beat El G?

Is Mo done?
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Dan · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 11:58 am Post subject:

I'm pretty sure Tramell will focus on the hurdles. He seems to be able to pop an occasional good open sprint, but I don't see him hanging in there when things get down to consistent sub-10 territory in the big meets.

Adams has had stretches where she can hurdle with the best of them, but I think she lacks the speed to get to the top of the pecking order. I don't know that she's any stronger in the LJ, though.

Lagat looked good at Milrose, but c'mon, that's the sort of time he was running in college! Probably wasn't much tougher than a workout for him. I'm not ready to predict the defeat of ElG based on just that...

I don't think Mo is done, but he is treading on thin ice with another in a steadily growing string of bad performances... Conway was right, though, the starts of the Milrose races were pretty sketchy. I can't believe none of those were called back (or told to stand up). People were jumping all over the place. With how bad Greene's start was, it's very likely he was thrown off by that factor in conjunction with having to think about the new false start rule.

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Conway · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 12:55 pm Post subject:

Miicah do you think I am going to help you build the Warthogs ???? Especialy after they beat me last year !! Know way ... LOL ...

But I do agree with Dan's assessments ... Trammell is a hurdler with good speed much like Nehemiah and Greg Foster were ... But to compete in the sprint wars on a regular basis is very tough .. Probably the major reason KK doesn't do so (Kenteris) ... Is very hard to come back with those kinds of performances meet after meet ... Sprinting is very hard on the body ... Much harder than most distance people can appreciate ... And the sprints (barring injuries) are going to be loaded this year ... The talk has been of Mo, Tim, and Dwain, but there are literally about a dozen sprinters this year (100 & 200) who are potential medallists on the right day !!!

Lagat I think has some mental garbage to get rid of ... When someone has beaten you as much as ElG has beaten him it gets to be more mental than physical ... That's why I still give the sprint edge to Greene over MOntgomery ... Mental is harder to overcome than physical !!!!

I like Adams ... But she is in a tough spot ... That of lacking a lot of speed ... She is technically strong in both events but the speed factor is what keeps her off the top of the podium .. .Having said that i think long term she could achieve more in the long jump as technique can take you farther there ...
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Micah Ward · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:46 pm Post subject:

Conway...you are brutal... Very Happy

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Conway · Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2003 6:12 pm Post subject:

Why am I so brutal ??? I thought I was a nice guy !!!
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Justin · Varsity Joined: 08 Oct 2001 Posts: 312 Location: London

Trammell is faster than any sprint hurdler we've seen before, except perhaps Colin Jackson.

Nehemiah had bests of 10.24/10.18w (admittedly as a junior, could have gone faster); Foster ran 10.28/20.2x; Dees ran 10.15/10.03w; Jackson ran 6.49 for 60m and 10.29 for 100m. None of these bests (except Dees') represent their potential, but none was a sub-10 100m runner, which is what I see Trammell as.

The 110mH has stagnated for 2 decades now - the WR is ten years old and even that is only 0.02 faster than Skeets. The very best (Skeets, Kingdom, Foster, Jackson, to a lesser extent Johnson) had perfect hurdling technique so the only way to go seems to be more speed. Assuming Trammell can hurdle like Nehemiah (easy huh??), his speed might just take the event under 12.90 at last.

I read that Gatlin got a flyer in the Millrose 60m - true?

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Dan · Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:22 am Post subject:

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[quote="Justin"]Trammell is faster than any sprint hurdler we've seen before, except perhaps Colin Jackson.

Nehemiah had bests of 10.24/10.18w (admittedly as a junior, could have gone faster); Foster ran 10.28/20.2x; Dees ran 10.15/10.03w; Jackson ran 6.49 for 60m and 10.29 for 100m. None of these bests (except Dees') represent their potential, but none was a sub-10 100m runner, which is what I see Trammell as.

The 110mH has stagnated for 2 decades now - the WR is ten years old and even that is only 0.02 faster than Skeets. The very best (Skeets, Kingdom, Foster, Jackson, to a lesser extent Johnson) had perfect hurdling technique so the only way to go seems to be more speed. Assuming Trammell can hurdle like Nehemiah (easy huh??), his speed might just take the event under 12.90 at last.

I read that Gatlin got a flyer in the Millrose 60m - true?

I guess your too young to remember a guy by the name of Harrison ( Bones ) Dillard. Still the only man to win olympic gold in the 100-1948 and the hurdles- 1952. If your only going by the clock then your probably right.
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