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Micah Ward · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 7:16 am Post subject: Got New Shoes

Went to a very good local running store this week. VA Runner just north of Quantico. They did a very good job of analyzing my feet and running gait. It turns out I am one of those lucky few who has a neutral foot plant. I tried on several pairs and bought Mizuno Wave Riders. Anyone have experience with Mizunos? They are light but have good cushion. I did 5 miles this morning and they felt good but I did feel a blister developing right where a seam is stichted in the right shoe. This store will let you bring the shoes back within 30 days so if the blister problem continues I will just take them back and trade for the adidas style I have been using.
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graeme · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 7:49 am Post subject:

I've been using Mizuno Alchemy for a while now, it's more of a stability shoe than the Rider because I overpronate (like most people). Now they're replacing the Alchemy with the Mercury and it fits differently so I'm gonna have to find a new shoe. All the Mizuno running shoes have "Wave" in the name because they have a wave plate in the the heal that goes through to the midfoot, the idea being that as it compresses it will only allow your foot to move forward, not side to side. You can probably see a wavy pattern on the side of the shoe which is actually part of the plate, on the Rider it's not as big as some of their other shoes since it's intended for people like yourself that don't need a lot of extra support. Underpronators are lucky, they get the light, cushy and usually cheaper shoes.

I work at a running store in Nanaimo called Frontrunners, we analyze your foot, ask about what kind of running (or other activities) you're doing and if you have any injuries, then try to find the shoe that best fits your needs. It's important for a good running store to let you return your shoes if they don't work out. There are some problems that won't come up until you've actually taken them for a run. At Frontrunners our policy is that you can return them as long as they're in reasonable condition and can still be sold (usually at a marked down price).

What's the Adidas shoe you've been using? Supernova Cushion?

Dan · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 7:57 am Post subject:

You don't see too many people in Mizuno's, but those who have tried them tend to really like them. I'd be worried about the seam blistering, though. Something like that generally doesn't go away with breaking in...

Graeme, you're more involved in the various aspects of running than you've been letting on. Smile

If a guy named Ian Burnett ever comes in the store, say hi for me ... he's my uncle (living in Nanaimo). I don't think he runs much these days, but he used to be a pretty regular road racer.

Dan
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graeme · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 8:27 am Post subject:

I'll keep a look out for that name, maybe I'll see him on some race results.

Dan · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 8:44 am Post subject:

I like that answer. Thumbs Up

Any other secrets we should know about...?

Dan
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Micah Ward · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 11:35 am Post subject:

Graeme is good Exclamation

You nailed it right on the head with the adidas...Supernova Cushion.

I am a little concerned about the blister spot. But as I said, I have 30 days.
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Guest · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:35 pm Post subject:

Yeah, definitely take them back if the seam is giving you a blister.

I have more secrets, but if I told you, I'd have to kill you. Wink

graeme · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:37 pm Post subject:

I don't think I need to explain that that was me. (stupid cookies)

Paul · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 12:22 am Post subject:

Micah, thanks for starting this thread!! Here's a link from a physical therapist in Florida who thinks that a number of runners' problems originate from defective shoes.

http://www.therunnershigh.com/Ariicles.htm

I have run in the Mizunos but found they were incredible at picking up stones in the tread. I was forever stopping to pick them out. I went back to my New Balance 82x and 83x series.

Graeme, do you have any experience in your store with the Asics GT-2080 and that whole series line??

Dan, have you had a chance to test the new Nike Spiridon line?? See if they would consider sending you a pair to evaluate. Sounds like your mileage is definitely back to evaluating shoes. They need people who are articulate!! Can you imagine getting an evaluation from Alex's buddies??

" Nike, these shoes suck! "

case closed

Paul

Micah Ward · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:02 am Post subject:

Good articles Paul. And the rock in the treads is something I noticed on the Mizunos also. Yesterday I ran on a gravel road and got fairly large rocks stuck in both shoes.

We have four runs on our schedule this week plus whatever I do on my own, so by next weekend I will know for sure if the blister problem will be bad enough to have to take them back.
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Dan · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 7:29 am Post subject:

Speaking of rocks and Mizunos (I've never worn them, so I can't proudly boast, "Mizuno rocks!" Smile

), one thing I remember about the ones my friend had is they placed a completely exposed midfoot foam wedge on the outsole, right below the ball of the foot. He called it a magnet for rocks, and it was hell for rock bruises...

Paul, I don't believe I've gotten anything from the Spiridon line, although it's often hard to tell what exactly something is. Many are a mix and patch of pieces depening on what actually is the target of the testing.

graeme · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:14 am Post subject:

RangerG · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 4:11 am Post subject:

Micah and I were having the shoe discussion during dinner Saturday, and I was suggesting that the method I use to train Police and Corrections Officers in Foot Print Tracking might be a help.

I pick a sandy area like a kids playground, flatten it as much as possible with a rake, and dampen it.

I make three passes thru the sand. One walking, one at a jog, and one at a moderate run. You can see a change in the pronation in addition to how each foot rolls to the inside or outside, which is the stronger foot, which side most of your weight is placed on, exactly what part of your foot hits (heel, toe, or flat) etc.

People over 40 may think they are right handed, but are actualy left handed, and of course left footed and do not know it. It was common to retrain children in the 60's and before as it was a right handed world.

I am kind of hoping that this very old technology can be used in determining stride and pronation issues, as well as choosing the correct shoe.

If anyone wants to experenment with this, PM me.

Oh yea, and Micah is one heck of a guy! I had a great time talking with him, and I am going to drag him up for a trail race Twisted Evil

I hope I get to meet more of you folks Very Happy

Paul, the weight lifting and building mass is starting to pay off. Watch out Arnold! Rolling Eyes

Dan, Micah and I agree that the T-Shirt should be a priority. We both want to wear them to races. How about an Iron On for the time being? One large for the back, and one small for the front.

G
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Dan · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 7:00 am Post subject:

Hey Ranger, you've always got a retirement career path ahead of you ... long jump pit raking! Wink

RangerG · Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2003 7:13 am Post subject:

Hmm

I'm thinking both, but I have an idea here. I will copy the logos onto an iron on transfer from my printer and see what they look like on a T-shirt.

Let me see how this turns out first, and I will take pictures and let you decide.

G
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