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Micah Ward · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:47 pm Post subject: Sprinter to Ultramarathoner

Frank Bozanich was the most consistant US ultramarathoner of the 1970's and 80's and even continued to win ultras as recently as 2002 at the age of 58. This year he won the 60-64 age group at Western States. What is interesting is that an article in a Reno, NV newspaper just before WS mentioned that Bozanich was a sprinter in high school and college and that he still carried the sprinters mindset into the ultra distances. Bozanich was always known for going out hard right from the start even in the ultras.

Just yesterday I ran across this list of pr's for Bozanich:

400 - 49.5
800 - 1:58
10K - 29:30
Marathon - 2:25:26
50K - 3:02:24 that's a 5:52 pace for 31 miles
50 mile - 5:05:35 that's a 6:06 pace
100K - 6:51:20 that's a 6:37 pace for 62 miles
100 miles - 15:17:17 that's a 9:11 pace and this race is the Old Dominion trail 100

Even in the ultradistance races speed is such an important factor. I am not aware of anyone else in the US with those credentials competing in the ultramarathons currently.
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Dan · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:20 pm Post subject:

Just wait till Conway reads this. Laughing

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Paul · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:44 pm Post subject:

That is impressive!! Seems like his 800 should be closer to 1:55. I'll bet he must have been close to a 22 flat 200 guy, also, if not under.

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Dan · Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:19 pm Post subject:

I would guess closer to 23-flat, actually.

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Double · Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:23 pm Post subject:

Ted Corbitt started as a sprinter to.

Dan · Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:31 pm Post subject:

I've heard of guys steadily moving up in distance, but this seems rather extreme. Is it a common thing with ultra runners, or just two very notable examples?

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Paul · Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:

Double, what kinds of times have you run in the 400-800-mile?? If I'm allowed to ask Smile

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Double · Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject:

880 = 2:03.7r (16)
1 mile = 4:43 (17)
2 mile = 9:53i (18')
3 mile = 15:18g (17)
5k = 16:49 (43)
8k = 27:03 (42)
10k = 34:25 (22)
20k = 1:11:58s (22)
Half = 1:15:46 (40)
25k = 1:30:xx (22)
Marathon = 2:40:56 (40)
50k = 3:39s (41)
80k = 5:58:04s (41)
100k = 7:43:xx (41)
100 mile = 18:34:04t (41)
g = grass
i = indoor
r = relay
s = split
t = trail

Micah Ward · Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:48 pm Post subject:

I think Bozanich and Corbitt are probably rare in the ultra world as former sprinters. It seems most of the midpack ultrarunners are older runners who have passed the pr years and are looking for a new challenge. But those two and the rest of the elite, Jurek, Trason, etc, have run some fairly impressive times before moving up in distance.

Double is a case in point. Those pr's are very good times that would place him pretty high in most local races. And that speed has translated into top finishes in some big time ultra runs.

So, no matter what the distance is, basic speed will benefit you.
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Paul · Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:01 pm Post subject:

Double, those are impressive times. I will assume the 880 and miles were done in high school, the 880 as a sophmore, maybe??
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Conway · Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:24 am Post subject:

Reading this makes me hurt !!!! That's too much moving up for me ... LOL ...
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Cool progression of times - I am going to have to look up mine now

200 - 24.7
400 - 55.4 (I am positive I ran 54 but I can't find documentation for it so thats what it will have to be)
800 - 2:12 (ouch I didn't run it much again records spotty)
Mile - 5:13 (only ran it once as a frosh in 83 - I plan to break this by next year)
3000 - 11:34 (only run once a few years ago when just starting up again)
3000 Steeple 12:30 (ran for the fisrt tim ethis year loved it)
2 Mile - 10:59 (also in 83)
5000m (track) 20:03 (ran in 02)
5000m (road) 19:46 (04 - only ran one this year)
5000m (XC) 20:10 (03)
8K (road) 32:42 (04)
10K (road) 44:07 (03 - however ran 6 last week in 40:54)
13.1 road (full is 1:42.51 in 04 but ran 1:38 en route a few weeks ago for 18 miles)
18 miles (road) 2:15 (04)
marathon 3:48 (03) aiming for 3:15 on Nov 7th!

hey also HJ - 5-6, LJ 20', TJ 42'
400 IM - 61 (i think)

Anyway goals are to try to rest all from 800 up within the next few years as far as the 5K goes I know I ran faster a while ago but I have no idea what the time was I think I ran 18 something at some opoint, but our HS XC was at van Cortlandt which Frosh is like 1.6 or 8 miles and Varsity is 2.5 or so (ran 8:54 and 14:54 I think)

Why I wrote this all out I have no idea but it got me thinking so I did it...
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graeme · Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:10 am Post subject:

I wish I knew my PR's for the shorter distances. The only 400 I did last year was in a relay, but I never found out what my time was and I dont think I've ever actually done a 200 all out. Though I've done too many to count in training at 90%.

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Yeah luckily or unluckily I ran everything in HS -

They also published Annuals every year and I still have them so it was easy to look up whats there at least still on some of the boards there as well they maintain some lists

I actually found some other stuff from younger as well So I went a different route from Distance Runner, to Sprinter and npw back to Distance... what the heck am I doing?
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Indeurr · Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Sprinter to Ultramarathoner

[quote="Micah Ward"]Frank Bozanich was the most consistant US ultramarathoner of the 1970's and 80's and even continued to win ultras as recently as 2002 at the age of 58. This year he won the 60-64 age group at Western States. What is interesting is that an article in a Reno, NV newspaper just before WS mentioned that Bozanich was a sprinter in high school and college and that he still carried the sprinters mindset into the ultra distances. Bozanich was always known for going out hard right from the start even in the ultras.

Just yesterday I ran across this list of pr's for Bozanich:

400 - 49.5
800 - 1:58
10K - 29:30
Marathon - 2:25:26
50K - 3:02:24 that's a 5:52 pace for 31 miles
50 mile - 5:05:35 that's a 6:06 pace
100K - 6:51:20 that's a 6:37 pace for 62 miles
100 miles - 15:17:17 that's a 9:11 pace and this race is the Old Dominion trail 100

Even in the ultradistance races speed is such an important factor. I am not aware of anyone else in the US with those credentials competing in the ultramarathons currently.[/quot]
I think that you are dead wrong -- in the ultramarathon races is not the speed, but efficiency of movement that is important. Both sprinters and ultramarathoners to win have to be very effeicient (800 meter runners are certainly not as efficient as the sprinters in the way they move, but this is just my opinion).
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