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Paul
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I agree with Dan. Ben's ability to get into running position has been unparalleled in the last two decades. I would love to see a video analysis of everyone's best races on one screen, especially up to the 90m mark.
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Conway
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| Dan wrote: | I have a hard time believing any analysis that doesn't have Ben at the top of the heap for first 40m/y... Been quite a while since I watched the race, but when you've got the fastest overall time ever run and the fastest start and one of the slowest finishes making it up, it doesn't add up that the intermediate times wouldn't be the fastest.
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I don't have Ben's splits in front of me, but if I remember correctly, at that stage of Ben's career he was NOT a slow finisher ... Quite the contrary ... His finish was the equal of Lewis' - which is why Lewis could not gain on him in '87 & '88 ... That, combined with his extraordinary start is what put him head and shoulders above everyone else ...
Remember ... That when Ben ran 9.83, the record was 9.93 !!! and Carl's best at that time was 9.97 - Ben pulled him to 9.93 in that race ... And when Ben ran his 9.79, Carl PR'd at 9.92 - well behind Ben ... Ben was obviously the best starter in the world - perhaps the best ever ... But he had also developed the rest of his race ...
Also note that Mo (while credited with being a strong finisher) was also an exceptional starter ... No way one can go under 9.80 without having BOTH aspects of the race be strong ... You can't get out anywhere near fast enough to simply "hold on" and run under 9.80 ... Nor can you give away a huge deficit at the beginning and "make it up" at the end to go sub 9.80 ...
One has ot look no further than Tim Montgomery's WR run to see that both ends of the equation have to be satisfied ... Tim benefited greatly from a "perfect" reaction time and start, to go with ihs own closing speed AND perfect wind d...
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Dan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:23 am Post subject: |
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But Ben gave up 0.03 or more by not running through the line, which means he was a couple clicks faster than Mo in the early segments of the race.
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Conway
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Ah, but Mo gave up that and maybe more at the end of his 9.82 in Edmonton ... So they are back on the same plane - and actually Mo may have been a tad faster early in the race ...
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Dan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong race, but I don't rememember Mo giving up anywhere near that much... And it was a slightly slower race, to boot.
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Conway
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Edmonton was the 2001 World Champsp when Mo pulled up near the end of the race and still held off Montgomery ... Generally thought to be the fastest 100 ever - minus the pull ...
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Dan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I remember the race, just not the part about Mo slowing up significantly. Was that where he strained his quad?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Yep ... And if were "significant" he would have lost the race ... Remember that at that speed one or two bad steps alone can alter your time significantly .... That's one of the reasons Mo has been able to go sub 10 over 50 times - theconsistency of his technique ... And why many others have only broken 10 one or two times ...
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Dan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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So, you're saying he was able to maintain form pretty well and not slow down all that much? If so, that's the way I remember the race... Ben's Seoul run is estimated as a 9.72-9.75 if he had run through the line. Who really thinks Mo's Edmonton race would've been faster???
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