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[Angelo Z]

Yeah, I lack experience in 400m training. All I said to him was to put his body through as much pain as possible. That can mean all sorts of things such as jumping off a cliff but if you use common sense, you understand what I'm talking about. I haven't been in the army but I read an article how many get stress fractures from the harsh training there. Go look at the Marines, I bet they give plenty of dangerous advice. Racing shouldn't be like the Marines, but I personally think it should. I'm sick of people and peers telling me to not push myself like that just because I'm 16 and I'm not a professional. I'm dang cocky when it comes to running. I bet I wouldn't even be coached due to my excessive attitude about running. I recently got sent to lock-out by my gym coach because I wouldn't stop running on the track (refusing to participate in anything else after). His punishment is fiving people extra laps, but he knows that's like candy for me. He pulls me over and asks me, "Why do you do this, it's so stupid-it doesn't do you any good." I tell him, "I want to be the best runner out of everyone when I grow up, don't blame my ambition." A couple weeks ago I got kicked out of the workout room because I was running on a treadmill that had an "out of order sign" on it. Back in Colorado, they would lock the workout room at night. I would go around from behind and slide the window then push on that wire mesh to get inside. I'm an athlete, you're probably not as intense as you were before. Athletes themselves give different advice than coaches do. Pain doesn't make anyone rational but when the animal comes out, it's out.
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My favorite all time race: Hicham El Guerrouj - Prefontaine Classic Mile 2002 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4YykUTHzOL8
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[Dan]

[Indeurr]

It is not just about how much; it is as well about quality!
When we got a Ranger CSM to replace the Infantry CSM in OPFOR Hohenfels 1-4 Reg; we were running within sanity, but either very big hills, or at rather high heart rate.
Yes -- the East Africans do not run nearly ever at less than 75% of the max hear rate, but they almost never run above 90% heart rate in practice.
There is a slim margin between training hard and pure nonsense.

No pain no gain. -- I do agree!

No hurt no gain. -- This is a very bad advise!

In general, I do agree with Dan.

It takes time to be able in 99 out of 100 cases to properly estimate when to run through pain and when to avoid injury!


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One more thing: both US Army and to lesser extent the Marine Corps Infantry are forgiving when it comes to your body not being able to take something; however, the Navy Seals are absolutly ruthless: if your body cannot take let say extreme hypothermia, you are disqualified!
In the Army's Infantry, if you cannot make it, they usually change your MOS main job to non--combat arms, but 90% men do make it (they have up to three attempts at most -- I did make it on the 1st one and only because I did recover from the Heat and Humid in late September and October; if I entered my Basic/AIT at the "House of Pain" 2-58 C "Charlie Rock" Sand Hill in let say, May or June, I would have not made it for sure on the 1st attempt. I was in the last rotation to get BDU's).
In the Marine Corps, only 80% does make it.
If you get injured, on a very rare occasion, the Navy Seals may allow you back into their Basic/AIT.
In the Army and Marine Corps Infantry it is more about the mind; in the Navy Seals, the mental toughness is just the begining, if your body cannot take it, you can forget about it!
The main difference between the Army and the Marines is two fold: -1) ex--youth gangsters and mentaly ill persons can get into the Army as well as persons without fellonies; -2) no water training (I have learnt to swim on my own).
The operational difference is: -1) storm troops vs. operational troops. If not for the Army, the anti--tank "10" air craft would have been retired, but the Army likes for the Air Force to take care of the enemy armor before the Army does clean up.
By the Euphratus River in Iraq; there was an LOA catch--up; the US and Royal Marines pushed hard; the Iraqis instead of exploiting the simm between the Marines and the US Army and trying to outflank, assumed that the Army is soft, and tried frontal attack -- they made it to the US Army's Scouts shallow trenches or hasties beacuse the Air Froce and the Field Artillery chopped them down in the mean time.
Army wants survivors or "Army Strong!" and no paper work!
Marines want heroes and medals!
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[Angelo Z]

[ssteve235]

"Steve, have you ever shed a tear or at least punch a wall as a result of a failed run? Have you ever sat in the shower for hours telling yourself you'll be great one day? Have you ever ran in negative temperatures with no coat on? Have you ever woken up at 3-4 breaking curfew just to get those 30 dang minutes of training and then going through hell once more after school? I think not, so please appreciate your conditions that others may lack."
In response to this, yes i have been pissed about a run and races where i havent done as well as i know i can or a relay where i let my team down because my legs gave out on me, im not ashamed to say i have ran so hard some days that ive cried and also ive never ran in negative temp becuase it doesnt get any colder then around 5 where i live... and heres a few of those for you, ever go to a 8 hour long track meet and sit in 90 degree weather in order to run less then 12 seconds for one race and then come in sixth? Ever injured yourself the week before section championships and then forced to watch a kid you hate run in your spot and win first in a relay? ever skipped a party in order to go to a 6 hour meet and run for 60 seconds? Im grateful that i can run track and cross country where i live and i feel for anyone who cant run becuse its impossile... it jsut seems like some of wat u say doesnt make sense such as your school not having a late bus... every school i have ever heard of or have ever been to has a late bus. also i agree w/ the no pain no gain but sometimes there is excpetions to that. ive had knee problems in the past so i know when to take it easy for a day or two until the pain subsides so it doesnt turn into anything serious...again...

[Angelo Z]

Seriously, there are no late buses. Even my new high school lacks late buses. I got a physical by a young woman for no reason and found out aftwerwards that there were no late buses for extracurricular activites. I had all of my forms signed, my physical done...all I needed was to turn it in to the athletic office to participate in XC. Well, I asked you a bunch of questions and I won't deny you for your answers. I've never been to any track meets, once again. I wanted to do track in middle school but my dad didn't let me because he said I was a twig. Have you ever ran a marathon up in the mountains with no breaks or water? Sports and different track events are said to be just as hard as others, but people die in the marathon. I don't think you've had a very wild encounter with some aggresive animal while training either...But oh well we can go forever like this. The question is, what kind of advice would you give as an athlete to another athlete? We're supposed to be unrational, sick in the head. My favorite runner Hicham mentioned that he would train like some maniac, until he would get sick. Ha, his coach was there to tell him how much he can't do...
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My favorite all time race: Hicham El Guerrouj - Prefontaine Classic Mile 2002 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4YykUTHzOL8
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[ssteve235]

lol im sure we could and in response to the wild animal encounter, ive been chased by a few dogs during the course of my runs. one time i was running past a farm and out of nowhere this huge black dog jumps out of the bushes and chases me for about a half a mile until eventually he gave up

[Angelo Z]

Half a mile? Dogs can well outsprint even Usain Bolt, but 800m...Let alone the idea of still running away.
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My favorite all time race: Hicham El Guerrouj - Prefontaine Classic Mile 2002 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4YykUTHzOL8
¥London 2012 XXX Olympiad¥

[ssteve235]

lol he was a fat piece of crap, but im not sure on the distance it prob wasnt anywer near a half mile it just felt like it

[Angelo Z]

I wouldn't underestimate the animal though. It may tempt dogs to literally want to go after you and take you down. I don't think you'd do that when you're up against a wolf-like dog. The trick so to stop running immediately. Then you must turn and face the dog and walk backwards with ease but also at a pace so you can get away faster. Never look the dog in the eyes, if you do, you keep him more focused on you. Dogs are usually train to not bite, but that's not 100% guaranteed.
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My favorite all time race: Hicham El Guerrouj - Prefontaine Classic Mile 2002 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4YykUTHzOL8
¥London 2012 XXX Olympiad¥

[Indeurr]

[Angelo Z]

What kind of injury?
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My favorite all time race: Hicham El Guerrouj - Prefontaine Classic Mile 2002 http://youtube.com/watch?v=4YykUTHzOL8
¥London 2012 XXX Olympiad¥