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AM_Runner · All-Star Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 776 Location: NYC

I like the Rieti meet for just that - seems to be more well rounded...

True I would guess thats an issue but it would seem that a meet like that would hurt the Sprinter group much more than the Mid Distance crew... the 800 and 1500 group of athletes (and by that I mean those that would pick more of those middle distance runners) seem to benefit from the schedule when a 100M is excluded. (that when there is no 200 included at all)

Jeez this makes no sense... anyway I agree with you Dan on that choice as much as I would like to have a Field event at some point - I think those distances match up best with the schedule.

One other thing... anyone notice that there seems to be a lot more than usual 3000M races... or is that just me and my lack of sleep seeing things?
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Dan · Posted: Tue May 31, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

I remembered one of the gotchas to adding in non-GL events based on their frequency of being contested in non-GL meets ... that often says nothing about their frequency in GL meets!

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Dan, pls include at least one field event for each sex. Women's TJ and Men's HJ/Jav look like they will be held very regularly through the season.

These events usually have reasonable fields too - unlike 400m (for example) where only eight athletes can usually compete. And - importantly - these field athletes are specialists and will (mostly) only compete in one event (unlike distance or sprint events where athletes can swap and change the events they compete in from meet to meet, making it a bit of a lottery at times for leaguers).

Having 800, 1500/mile and 3/5000 really involves many of the same athletes at 800/1500 or 1500/5000 doubles. Pick the Kenyan can get a bit boring - especially considering many distance runners on the list will just be rabbits according to the orders of their teams. I'd rather see W400H (I'm not sure there's anything wrong with these tables at http://www.iaaf.org/newsfiles/22160.pdf) or M110H to add some variety.

The schedule looks good; longer than other years. More work for you Dan, I guess, but it's much appreciated. I would much prefer to see Madrid and Stockholm included though. This gives us a meet each in weeks 3 and 4 to maintain the regular momentum of the competition. Laussanne and Rieti (being held in weeks where there are other scheduled comps) are the meets I would replace.
Then the schedule - by week - with event schedules to date would be:

01 Meeting Gaz de France, Paris Fri 1 July (GL)
M 100GLP 400 800GLP 1500GLP 5000GLP 110HGLC 3000SC PV HJGLC JAVGLC
W 100GLP 400 800GLP 1500 3000GLC 100H 400HGLC TJGLC
02 Golden Gala Rome Fri 8 July (GL)
M 100GLP 400 800GLP 1500GLP 3000SC 110HGLC 400H HJGLC PV LJ JAVGLC
W 100GLP 400 800GLP 1500 5000GLC 100H 400HGLC THGLC
03 Meeting de Madrid Sat 16 July (Super Grand Prix)
- not known
04 Stockholm Sun 26 July (Super GP)
M 100m 400m 1500m 3000/5000m 3000mSC 110mH 400mH HJ PV TJ
W 100m 800m 5000m 100mH HJ PV LJ
05 Bislett Games Oslo Fri 29 July (GL)
M 100 800 5000 110H HJ JAV
W 100 800 3000 400H TJ (plus 1500 nonGL)
06 World Champs, Helsinki, Sat 6-14 August
All Events
07 Well Deserved Vacation for Dan
08 Weltklasse Zürich Fri 19 August (GL)
M 100GL 400 800GL 1500GL 3/5000GL 3000SC 110HGL 400H HJGL PV LJ TJ DIS JAVGL
W 100GL 400 800GL 3/5000GL 400HGL PV TJGL
09 Memorial Van Damme Brussels Fri 26 August (GL)
M 100GLP 400 800GLP 1500GLP 3000GLP 10000 110HGLC HJGLC JAVGLC
W 100GLP 800GLP 5000GLC 3000SC 400HGLC PV LJ TJGLC
10 Istaf Berlin Sun 4 September (GL)
M 100GL 800GL 1500/MileGL 3/5000GL 110HGL HJGL JAVGL
W 100GL 800GL 3/5000GL 400HGL TJGL (plus 4 other M or W events TBA)
11 World Athletics Final, Monaco, Sun 9-10 September
All Events
GL=Golden League GLP=GL Premium GLC=GL Classic (where known)

That's álready about 2000 cents worth so I'll end it there.. GT
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Indeurr · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Let's not dumb it down

TOO LATE !!!

Dan will laugh:
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Indeurr · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:00 pm Post subject:

Dan, what is the start date and the dead line?

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Dan · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject:

We don't have a good scoring model for those field events, unfortunately.

It's always been 10 meets per season, but the number of events fluctuates from year to year, usually between 8 and 14.

All that's really needed is to decide for sure which events will be contested, so I can get on with processing the athlete lists appropriately...

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Indeurr · Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Let's not dumb it down

You are giving him a headache. Instead, you should cheer him on. Come one, we 'all' want to begin.

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Dan · Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:00 am Post subject:

Could we quote just relevant portions, not entire posts? This thread is sort of important for checking back on what we decided for league setup considerations, and it's much harder to do when the page is 2-3x longer because of unnecessarily quoted text. I've edited out a couple of the posts above.

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Conway · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:

I agree ... This thread has to be followed in the future ... So where are we Dan at this point ???

And thanks folk for providing so much input ... Once upon a time it was mostly Dan and I talking back and forth ... Nice to get lots more opinions ...
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Dan · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:10 am Post subject:

Top post of this page is my best attempt so far:

Meeting Gaz de France, Paris Friday, 1 July (GL)
Lausanne Athletissima, 5 July (Super Grand Prix)
Golden Gala Rome Friday, 8 July (GL)
Bislett Games Oslo Friday, 29 July (GL)
World Champs, Helsinki, 6-14 August
Weltklasse Zürich Friday, 19 August (GL)
Memorial Van Damme Brussels Friday, 26 August (GL)
Rieti 28 August (Grand Prix)
Istaf Berlin Sunday, 4 September (GL)
World Athletics Final, Monaco, Sunday, 9-10 September

Men
100m
400m or 110h (???) ... both non-GL
800m
1500m/Mile
3000m/5000m

Women
100m
400m ... non-GL
800m
1500m/Mile ... non-GL
3000m/5000m

I'm thinking scratch the women's 1500/mile and go with only GL events on the men's side. That gives us 4 of each and only one non-GL event -- the women's 400, which should be pretty hotly contested.

Gotta decide soon, Paris is only 3 weeks away!

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Conway · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:19 am Post subject:

Hmmm ... I like the meet list ... I think that works well ... Don't have a problem dropping the women's 1500 ... But I think both the 400 and 110's are gonna be hot on the men's side ... But that's just one opinion ...
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Dan · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:58 am Post subject:

I don't have a problem dropping either the men's 1500/mile or 3k/5k to open up a spot for adding in the 110h, but it's a gamble moving a non-GL event in for a GL one...

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Conway · Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:22 am Post subject:

No ... Don't drop one of those ... More balanced to leave those in ... I was just looking at how hot those two non-GL events should be ... But we shouldn't add at the expense of either of the other two ....
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